997.1 vs Panamera 4S
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I found this regarding the Panamera Turbo S pricing. I hope your books sell well as I can only imagine what the loss in residual value will be.
ATLANTA — The 570-horsepower 2014 Porsche Panamera Turbo S starts at $181,295, including a $995 destination charge, reflecting a $5,020 price increase over the 2013 model. The Turbo S models will arrive in U.S. showrooms early next year.
A new 2014 Porsche Panamera Turbo S Executive model starts at $201,495, including shipping. The Executive model is a long-wheelbase version of the car that has been stretched by 6 inches. This model will make its world debut at the 2013 Tokyo Auto Show. The Executive model targets the BMW 7 Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class, as well as the long-wheelbase version of the Audi A8.
* The Audi RS7 that I drove was very well equipped with a sticker of $122,000. I thought it was high, but compared to the Panamera Turbo S, it's a bargain.
ATLANTA — The 570-horsepower 2014 Porsche Panamera Turbo S starts at $181,295, including a $995 destination charge, reflecting a $5,020 price increase over the 2013 model. The Turbo S models will arrive in U.S. showrooms early next year.
A new 2014 Porsche Panamera Turbo S Executive model starts at $201,495, including shipping. The Executive model is a long-wheelbase version of the car that has been stretched by 6 inches. This model will make its world debut at the 2013 Tokyo Auto Show. The Executive model targets the BMW 7 Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class, as well as the long-wheelbase version of the Audi A8.
* The Audi RS7 that I drove was very well equipped with a sticker of $122,000. I thought it was high, but compared to the Panamera Turbo S, it's a bargain.
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I was at the dealer on Monday, they had a $236k CAD Turbo Exec in the showroom...wow and why.
I had a Panamera 4 over a weekend, I liked it as did my wife. It's good for what it is. Not totally sold on the styling and haven't driven any comparable luxury sedans in recent years to compare.
I had a Panamera 4 over a weekend, I liked it as did my wife. It's good for what it is. Not totally sold on the styling and haven't driven any comparable luxury sedans in recent years to compare.
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It's not a 911. Comparing it to one is apples and oranges.
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While a Panamera S/4S isn't as nimble as a 997 I would hardly label it "a giant tub of ****". I drove one at a track day and also on the road. I don't love the looks but for a sedan its a fantastic vehicle. From a power/handling/functionality perspective, I'd place it above almost any sedan on the road (price is a different issue)
It's not a 911. Comparing it to one is apples and oranges.
It's not a 911. Comparing it to one is apples and oranges.
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I was at the dealer on Monday, they had a $236k CAD Turbo Exec in the showroom...wow and why.
I had a Panamera 4 over a weekend, I liked it as did my wife. It's good for what it is. Not totally sold on the styling and haven't driven any comparable luxury sedans in recent years to compare.
I had a Panamera 4 over a weekend, I liked it as did my wife. It's good for what it is. Not totally sold on the styling and haven't driven any comparable luxury sedans in recent years to compare.
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In trying to stay on point to the original question:
1. No car does everything well. Something with so many moving parts, well, there are always compromises.
2. If you are looking for a car to track and drive on mountain roads, the Panamera may not be the best choice. As others have said, perhaps M-Power is a better performing option if you need more practical cargo and passenger space. At any rate, even if you are made of money (and those who are tend to be the more parsimonious) a BMW would cost tens of thousands less for probably better performance and styling (v. Panamera) - unless the status of a Porsche is something you want.
3. If you are able go and test drive the Panamera, then read these comments so you'll have context.
4. I have no doubt that everyone who was given a Panamera as a loaner is being totally honest about how they feel about the car. Two things though. Loaners tend to be the most stripped down, cheapest version of a model. I suspect all the glowing reviews of the Panamera are a product of testing one with all the expensive performance options. The second thing is that you have 911 enthusiasts hating this car (stripped down status notwithstanding). That should tell you less about the Panamera and more about the fact that it is not going to handle, perform, etc. like a 911 - if that is what you are looking for.
1. No car does everything well. Something with so many moving parts, well, there are always compromises.
2. If you are looking for a car to track and drive on mountain roads, the Panamera may not be the best choice. As others have said, perhaps M-Power is a better performing option if you need more practical cargo and passenger space. At any rate, even if you are made of money (and those who are tend to be the more parsimonious) a BMW would cost tens of thousands less for probably better performance and styling (v. Panamera) - unless the status of a Porsche is something you want.
3. If you are able go and test drive the Panamera, then read these comments so you'll have context.
4. I have no doubt that everyone who was given a Panamera as a loaner is being totally honest about how they feel about the car. Two things though. Loaners tend to be the most stripped down, cheapest version of a model. I suspect all the glowing reviews of the Panamera are a product of testing one with all the expensive performance options. The second thing is that you have 911 enthusiasts hating this car (stripped down status notwithstanding). That should tell you less about the Panamera and more about the fact that it is not going to handle, perform, etc. like a 911 - if that is what you are looking for.
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Back to the OP.
Can't compare the 2. I actually like the Panny for what it is. Big *** 4 door sedan. Handles better than anything in it's size class(7 series BMW or 8 Series Audi and Benz S class)
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My dealer gives out Panny S loaners. When I was there in June for service I got a 240 mile Cayenne GTS. That is a sweet truck. I actually like my dealer. Car pick up and drop off service.
Back to the OP.
Can't compare the 2. I actually like the Panny for what it is. Big *** 4 door sedan. Handles better than anything in it's size class(7 series BMW or 8 Series Audi and Benz S class)
Back to the OP.
Can't compare the 2. I actually like the Panny for what it is. Big *** 4 door sedan. Handles better than anything in it's size class(7 series BMW or 8 Series Audi and Benz S class)
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Now, if you are a passenger... there are good/better sedans out there.
Note: my POV comes from someone who does not care about sedans or has currently one. But, yes, I do respect the Panamera.
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