993 to 997.1 drying engines?
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993 to 997.1 drying engines?
I am selling my 993 and want to move on to a 997.1. My friend had his 993 serviced and I drove him to the indie shop to pick up his car.
While there I noticed two 997.1 with their engines being replaced. I asked the owner/mechanic and he said the engines had been "dried". I dont know under what circumstances and if these were under high G track conditions. They weren't dedicated track cars.
Now I'm really worried and maybe I'll wait maybe five years until I can afford a 991.2 as they are commanding crazy premiums right now.
Am I being silly and these are isolated cases? I know the .1 has the "almost dry sump". I'm not going to track the car just enjoy on the street.
Howard
1997 911
While there I noticed two 997.1 with their engines being replaced. I asked the owner/mechanic and he said the engines had been "dried". I dont know under what circumstances and if these were under high G track conditions. They weren't dedicated track cars.
Now I'm really worried and maybe I'll wait maybe five years until I can afford a 991.2 as they are commanding crazy premiums right now.
Am I being silly and these are isolated cases? I know the .1 has the "almost dry sump". I'm not going to track the car just enjoy on the street.
Howard
1997 911
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I would pick up 997.1 gt3 car at this point. imho it is a best bang per buck and it comes with a proper motor. but i think all good ones already changed owners after folks switched to 997.2 gt3 and rs cars and this maret is not very active now. still, a price point of 997.1 gt3 is pretty good for what that car is.
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The .2 prices are holding up pretty well and I would be able to get one but have no money left for any contingencies.
I did look for .1 Gt3 but that market is real small. The ones available are 5,000 cars with high prices.
Howard
I did look for .1 Gt3 but that market is real small. The ones available are 5,000 cars with high prices.
Howard
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That has to be the strangest terminology Ive heard. It would have made sense if he had said starved instead of dried. If I heard that I would have thought some seal went bad due to it sitting in a garage forever.
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Just my $.02. In fairness to the .1 owners I know many feel the engine woes are overblown and that Porsche fixed many of the issues 996 owners saw. I'm not convinced.
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You dry an engine by converting it to true dry sump.
The implication being that high G's contribute to oil starvation in the non-dry sump engines.
So, he wasn't saying "Hey, we rebuilt these once oil-starved engines and went ahead and converted them to true dry sumps as well". Sounds like he was saying, "We converted these to true dry sumps".
If you are installing a rebuilt engine, I assure you that you will say "These cars had their engines rebuilt." REALLY. That is what you'd say 99.99% of the time. Rebuilding an engine is a BIG f-in deal. You call the engine a rebuilt engine. If you did a conversion on it, and that is all you did, you call THAT out. "These cars had their engines dried" = "I'm the guy to go to for this; you want it done; I can convey how cool I am at doing it by saying, 'these cars had their engines dried'."
Best of my knowledge: 997.1 not a true dry sump. Some dry sump advantages, but not an all out dry sump setup.
I think I have a headache now.
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The implication being that high G's contribute to oil starvation in the non-dry sump engines.
So, he wasn't saying "Hey, we rebuilt these once oil-starved engines and went ahead and converted them to true dry sumps as well". Sounds like he was saying, "We converted these to true dry sumps".
If you are installing a rebuilt engine, I assure you that you will say "These cars had their engines rebuilt." REALLY. That is what you'd say 99.99% of the time. Rebuilding an engine is a BIG f-in deal. You call the engine a rebuilt engine. If you did a conversion on it, and that is all you did, you call THAT out. "These cars had their engines dried" = "I'm the guy to go to for this; you want it done; I can convey how cool I am at doing it by saying, 'these cars had their engines dried'."
Best of my knowledge: 997.1 not a true dry sump. Some dry sump advantages, but not an all out dry sump setup.
I think I have a headache now.
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You dry an engine by converting it to true dry sump.
The implication being that high G's contribute to oil starvation in the non-dry sump engines.
So, he wasn't saying "Hey, we rebuilt these once oil-starved engines and went ahead and converted them to true dry sumps as well". Sounds like he was saying, "We converted these to true dry sumps".
If you are installing a rebuilt engine, I assure you that you will say "These cars had their engines rebuilt." REALLY. That is what you'd say 99.99% of the time. Rebuilding an engine is a BIG f-in deal. You call the engine a rebuilt engine. If you did a conversion on it, and that is all you did, you call THAT out. "These cars had their engines dried" = "I'm the guy to go to for this; you want it done; I can convey how cool I am at doing it by saying, 'these cars had their engines dried'."
Best of my knowledge: 997.1 not a true dry sump. Some dry sump advantages, but not an all out dry sump setup.
I think I have a headache now.
.
The implication being that high G's contribute to oil starvation in the non-dry sump engines.
So, he wasn't saying "Hey, we rebuilt these once oil-starved engines and went ahead and converted them to true dry sumps as well". Sounds like he was saying, "We converted these to true dry sumps".
If you are installing a rebuilt engine, I assure you that you will say "These cars had their engines rebuilt." REALLY. That is what you'd say 99.99% of the time. Rebuilding an engine is a BIG f-in deal. You call the engine a rebuilt engine. If you did a conversion on it, and that is all you did, you call THAT out. "These cars had their engines dried" = "I'm the guy to go to for this; you want it done; I can convey how cool I am at doing it by saying, 'these cars had their engines dried'."
Best of my knowledge: 997.1 not a true dry sump. Some dry sump advantages, but not an all out dry sump setup.
I think I have a headache now.
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I would pick up 997.1 gt3 car at this point. imho it is a best bang per buck and it comes with a proper motor. but i think all good ones already changed owners after folks switched to 997.2 gt3 and rs cars and this maret is not very active now. still, a price point of 997.1 gt3 is pretty good for what that car is.
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Right, that may happen if it goes to track with stock oil pan. In the corner oil goes away from pickup and at 7500 rpm it does not take long for motor to die with no oil.