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Old 04-29-2014, 02:53 AM
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Again, be more concerned with rod bolt failures on the track than IMSB issues. This is especially true with the S engines as their larger bores have heavier pistons and increase the changeover loads on the rod bolts dramatically. Couple this to the characteristic of the steeper rod angle of the 82.8mm crank of the 3.6 and 3.8 with the shorter rod that these engines use and its a formula that doesn't make a lot of sense.
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No, rod bolt failure.. The rod bolt stretched and loosened.. It just fell out and was laying in the sump unharmed.

When the opposing bolt broke, it became Kathleen's Kataclysmic Kalamity.
Was that car over-reved? If so, how badly was it over-reved?
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This engine saw no over revs.
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This engine saw no over revs.
I am curious about this engine. You indicated it was a base engine ( 3.6L, presumably) and not tracked. Why would it fail so early with street use? Overheated? Oil issues?
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I am curious about this engine. You indicated it was a base engine ( 3.6L, presumably) and not tracked. Why would it fail so early with street use? Overheated? Oil issues?
Rod bolt failure.
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Originally Posted by voda
Then don't read it! This is a 997 forum. This is a 997 question/thread. If you don't like to look at facts and would rather bury your head in the sand, then by all means do. You're the one choosing to click the mouse to select the topic and read the thread. Solution for your headache is easier than the solution for IMS issues.
Then YOU MUST READ the ten zillion threads on this matter before posting over and over again same BS on the same topic!!!
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
Again, be more concerned with rod bolt failures on the track than IMSB issues. This is especially true with the S engines as their larger bores have heavier pistons and increase the changeover loads on the rod bolts dramatically. Couple this to the characteristic of the steeper rod angle of the 82.8mm crank of the 3.6 and 3.8 with the shorter rod that these engines use and its a formula that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Curious to know what do you recommend as preventative, either active or passive measures? and if there is anything to change/update to make the M97 less prone to failure on track? I guess frequent oil change without saying is #1!
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I have a 2006 Carrera S with 59k and I am getting ready to replace my clutch. Therefore, it seems prudent to at least inspect and pull the seal on my IMS bearing. I have a few questions before moving forward.

1) Do I need to lock-down the IMS gear with studs and place the locks on the camshafts before removing the IMS flange?

2) How much of the bearing is submerged in the sump oil under normal operating conditions?

3) Should I go the extra mile and install a direct oil feed setup?


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Originally Posted by ///zhp04
I have a 2006 Carrera S with 59k and I am getting ready to replace my clutch. Therefore, it seems prudent to at least inspect and pull the seal on my IMS bearing. I have a few questions before moving forward.

1) Do I need to lock-down the IMS gear with studs and place the locks on the camshafts before removing the IMS flange?

2) How much of the bearing is submerged in the sump oil under normal operating conditions?

3) Should I go the extra mile and install a direct oil feed setup?


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Change the clutch, RMS, oil, and be done with it! You can't do anything on '06, and not that it needs it!!! This IMS paranoia is ridiculous!
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1) Do I need to lock-down the IMS gear with studs and place the locks on the camshafts before removing the IMS flange?
Absolutely. You must treat this job just like an IMS Retrofit. If not, and the flange comes off at the wrong position, you are screwed.

2) How much of the bearing is submerged in the sump oil under normal operating conditions?
Over 1/3 of the IMSB is submerged.

3) Should I go the extra mile and install a direct oil feed setup?
You already have a direct oil feed.. The bearing sits in the sump, how much more direct can one get? You can't.
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Thanks for the expert guidance Jake.

I'll do a bit more research and then start buying all the tools and parts necessary to replace the clutch, RMS, and seal removal.

From my point of view that buys a lot of peace of mind for less than $1k.
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
Absolutely. You must treat this job just like an IMS Retrofit. If not, and the flange comes off at the wrong position, you are screwed.


Over 1/3 of the IMSB is submerged.


You already have a direct oil feed.. The bearing sits in the sump, how much more direct can one get? You can't.
But when the engine is running isn't the oil level lower? Also, I believe the centrifugal force from the outer portion of the bearing spinning may make it difficult for oil to enter?
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There are many posts on the IMS. I have an 06 and would never even consider doing anything to the IMS. After 05 there are no issues in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by josephmonaco924
There are many posts on the IMS. I have an 06 and would never even consider doing anything to the IMS. After 05 there are no issues in my opinion.
We were receiving 40-50 emails per eek regarding failure prevention on the 06 and later engines (and some M97 IMSB fitted 2005s) and I finally took the time to create an extensive directive about what should be done and when. Anyone who wants a copy of this email jud@rabyenginedevelopment.com

It is copyright protected material, so I have chosen not to publish it online.

Some engines need more attention on the IMS topic than others.
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I have a 2008 997. 1s with a 190k miles. I pulled the tranny to do a clutch replacement and RMS Etc. RMS look good but the IMS seal was leaking. There was crud all around the IMS flange and few drops of oil, but there was no oil leaking out of the transmission. I guess you would call this seeping and not leaking. Here's the questions.
1. Should I just leave the whole IMS alone. It's leaking already. Isn't the leaking oil im seeing now similar to what i will see if i removing the seal. I would like to avoid removing the seal because it sounds like a lot of work to replace the seal. Locking cams Etc is it really worth it. Just to remove seal?
2. If I do remove the seal how much oil leaks out. Am I going to start to see oil leaking out of the transmission housing.
3. If I do remove the seal should I try and repack the bearing with grease. Didn't know that I could repack the bearing with grease while it's still in the engine. I've only packed bearings with grease by Rolling them in my hand.



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