TommyV44

I have a Tubi and love it!

Tom

Pc007

Hi guys

Thanks for the input.

Any of you know if changing the pipes will make me Loose the Porsche guarantee?

Ill ask here in the dealer, but i would like to know your experience

Thanks

SToronto

My dealer told me no. But I saved the OEM so can change it out if need be. Warranty of course doesn't cover the replacement aftermarket parts. For lowering springs for example I've been t old by another dealer that it may void the warranty of related parts should something fail and after analysis they deem it to be related to the lowering springs. Not sure how they will accurately test for that though.....seems fluffy.

gota911

As long as you keep the cats and only replace/modify the muffler system, you should be OK. But remember, I am not your dealer, so YMMV.

StormRune

I agree with the above opinions. Generally for a warranty claim to be denied, they would have to show that the modification could reasonably have been to blame for the failure. With most of the mainstream cat-back exhausts out there, it would be very unlikely that they could be responsible for any failure unless it was some bizarre creation (like it added a lot of additional back-pressure). In Porsche land exhaust mods are so common I think you'll find they are widely accepted.

Of course, if you opt to get the Tequipment PSE upgrade and have it installed by the dealer, then you'd be OEM all of the way and there is no chance of a problem.

RobC4sX51

How much $ do you want to spend? Tubi and Fabspeed make a great exhaust mod. But for under a $1k U.S. dollars you can have a SharkWerks center bypass exhaust that sounds great and adds hp/T. And is a quality product from a quality company. I have no affiliation to SWs but I do have their bypass mod and it is very nice. I would start there. If you have $3-4 thousand dollars, by all means buy the PSE. GL.

Pc007

Thanks guys

Ill problably go PSE, i dont Want to Loose warranty on my car. Do you guys have an idea on the price? Is it really 3/4.000 dolars?

Thanks

StormRune

I didn't mean to imply that you would lose warranty with the other options, they are something you should strongly consider if you aren't comfortable spending the money I'll describe below.

I've been strongly considering the PSE option and have done a fair amount of investigation. For me the PSE makes a lot of sense due to the fact it is switchable to "quiet" and I live in a very quiet neighborhood and in general don't want to roar around everywhere I go.

With my PCA discount, my dealer wants $2600 (plus tax) for the hardware (part number 99704420006) not including the dash switch if you don't already have the Sport Chrono. They want a little over $1400 for the installation work, which by the book shows 10 hours but they will discount that a little too. Online, the best price I've found is $2269.53 plus $220 for shipping to Austin. I plan on trying to negotiate with the local dealer one more time to see if I can get just a little more price break, but that still puts it around $4000 (I already have Sport Chrono so I don't think any new dash switch is required... this is the last point of confusion I have).

I considered doing the PSE myself as I'm pretty handy with these things, but after finally finding the factory installation instructions and seeing how much has to be done to do it to factory specs, I think I'm willing to pay the dealer to get the warranty and not have to worry about breaking anything myself. Of course, you could do a less proper install that doesn't do factory switching and save some money on the installation cost. I think the resale will be better with an official dealer installation though. So many variables to consider!

Another option some people choose for switchable volume is the Fabspeed Maxflo dual-tone version (Cargraphic makes one too as someone pointed out). That is "only" $2370 at Vivid Racing. In my thinking, that already gets me close enough to the PSE to just cough up the difference and go with a sound I've heard and know I love.

SToronto

Believe you may get another switch on the centre stack that has a tailpipe pic on it for PSE....I have sports chrono with no PSE.

Exhaust I have Cargraphic with Sharkwerks centre bypass, no quiet mode.


To the OP - go out and listen to as many variations you can, best way to decide....online vids typically don't give true indication of sound. Also don't worry about warranty, but if you are....PSE is your route.

gota911

SUncoast Porsche has the PSE for $2,592. IIRC, I paid $2,400 2-1/2 years ago and dealer charged me $900 to install, including the wiring for the PSE switch.

CtrUSA

+1 for Tubi again, but it isn't the cheapest sound mod.
My only regret with going to Tubi was not doing it earlier.

StormRune

I'm sort of hijacking the thread here, but I think it is for the mutual benefit of OP PC007.

Can any of the Tubi drivers share more detail about the sound? My particular questions would be:

• Is the sound reasonable when cruising around the neighborhood or parking garage as long as I drive gently?
• Is there any drone at a normal cruising RPM? (I don't mind distinct exhaust sound, but I had one car whose modded exhaust would develop a steady loud hum right at 60-70 mph and took it off due to that).
• Are you familiar enough with the PSE sound to compare relative to that? It is my only direct frame of reference.

Thanks for any additional input you can provide. Also just discovered the FVD option, so input there would be helpful as well.

StormRune

My statement in post 23 above "I already have Sport Chrono so I don't think any new dash switch is required... this is the last point of confusion I have" has been positively answered, at least for a 997.2. I went to the Porsche CPO site and scanned all of the listings until I found a car with both Sport Chrono Plus and the Sport Exhaust, then looked for photos of the buttons on the dash. Here is the answer in the attached photo. It has all of my buttons plus the PSE toggle on the right. Editing: If you have all the same options I do, then the switch that is needed for the PSE kit is part # 99761356301A05.
Also, I'm still struggling with the idea of paying $4k for the PSE (with a big chunk of that in labor), so I'm still looking at systems from FVD, Fabspeed, and Tubi that are somewhat less expensive and may or may not sound "better" subjectively. To get myself out of analysis paralysis, I've promised myself and my wife that I'll decide by the end of this coming weekend and make my order on Monday.

vern1

$4000 + tax for PSE = insanity (in my humble opinion)

You can do the gundo for couple of hundered bucks. This has been extensively described/discussed in previous threads.

The gundo is PSE without the switch. Its the same sound at a fraction of the cost. If you are not aggresive on the throttle then you can easily drive home through a quiet neighbourhood with no drama

And I dont think I have ever heard of someone warranty being affected by the gundo. Its just a 6" cross pipe on the mufflers

If you are determined to pay that kind of dough at least go for the Tubi or equivalent

TommyV44

My Porsche tech discouraged me from the PSE….he told me the Tubi or Cargraphic was the way to go (I think he said Cargraphic was better for the Turbo).

Got the Tubi and I love it! Relatively quiet until 3K and then the sound show begins……love the Tubi! No drone either.

Tom