997.1 with 100k Miles - Too much risk?
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997.1 with 100k Miles - Too much risk?
I am considering the purchase of my first Porsche to use as a daily driver - a 2007 C2S cabriolet with 100k miles. It has been a friend's DD since new, and he is now moving up to new turbo. He has taken care of the car (all scheduled maintenance), never tracked it, etc. The vehicle has a new clutch and the brakes & tires have lots of life in them.
The price is the low end of KBB, and I plan to have a PPI performed, but I have never heard of an M97 with this many miles on it. With the exception of the IMS possibility, is this a time bomb from which I should walk away?
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The price is the low end of KBB, and I plan to have a PPI performed, but I have never heard of an M97 with this many miles on it. With the exception of the IMS possibility, is this a time bomb from which I should walk away?
Thanks!
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^^^^ That's insane logic in my opinion. Well, I should say, it's fine if grippy doesn't want to buy a car with 100K, but he shouldn't be dissuading others from doing so.
What matters more is the car's maintenance. Get a thorough PPI, and enjoy the car if it passes and the price is right.
What matters more is the car's maintenance. Get a thorough PPI, and enjoy the car if it passes and the price is right.
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For me it would depend on how many miles I planned on putting on it. I drive mine about 6K miles/yr so it would take me another 5 years to hit 130K, which I would think would not be asking too much of the engine. Of course there are other things besides the engine to go wrong, and even minor repairs on a Porsche can cost a bundle especially if you're not a DIYer. We have an '03 E-class with well over 100K and it runs as smooth and quiet as the day it was new, not that it has any bearing (no pun intended) on a Porsche.
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100K on a 7 yrs old car = 14K miles/yr. OP knows the owner, car has been serviced regularly, will likely get all the service records from the original owner, and a neighborly price... sounds like a great car provided the PPI is clean. Consider replacing the WP if that hasn't been done already... and make sure the convertible top is working well. Keep us posted on how the car looks.
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If you have details of how well the car was maintained and it does well in the PPI, sure. I bought a 997.2 with 80k miles, which is a lot! The car has a full Porsche service history and passed a PPI.
Loving the car, and its all about how the previous owner maintained the car. Good luck!
Loving the car, and its all about how the previous owner maintained the car. Good luck!
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I am considering the purchase of my first Porsche to use as a daily driver - a 2007 C2S cabriolet with 100k miles. It has been a friend's DD since new, and he is now moving up to new turbo. He has taken care of the car (all scheduled maintenance), never tracked it, etc. The vehicle has a new clutch and the brakes & tires have lots of life in them.
The price is the low end of KBB, and I plan to have a PPI performed, but I have never heard of an M97 with this many miles on it. With the exception of the IMS possibility, is this a time bomb from which I should walk away?
Thanks!
The price is the low end of KBB, and I plan to have a PPI performed, but I have never heard of an M97 with this many miles on it. With the exception of the IMS possibility, is this a time bomb from which I should walk away?
Thanks!
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Thanks for all of your input - very much appreciated. The car looks cherry, and the current owner is a Porsche lover. Here's a pic.
Yes, all service records will be included. If this car had 50k, I wouldn't think twice. 100k is a lot of miles... Fingers crossed for the PPI.
Yes, all service records will be included. If this car had 50k, I wouldn't think twice. 100k is a lot of miles... Fingers crossed for the PPI.
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[QUOTE=Cuda911;11299304]^^^^ That's insane logic in my opinion. Well, I should say, it's fine if grippy doesn't want to buy a car with 100K, but he shouldn't be dissuading others from doing so.
Not trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything, the OP was asking for opinions and I stated mine; this is what people typically do on forums. Insane logic? Let me guess, your car(s) are getting up there in mileage and you eventually want to sell...
Not trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything, the OP was asking for opinions and I stated mine; this is what people typically do on forums. Insane logic? Let me guess, your car(s) are getting up there in mileage and you eventually want to sell...
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100k miles is a lot? Is this 1954 or 2014?
This backwards thinking is absolutely incorrect and shows complete ignorance of the longevity of the modern engines and ability of the modern lubricants to protect the moving parts. Modern car with 100k commuter miles will have nearly ZERO wear on the drive-train. Garage queen will have FAR more issues from lack of driving then the car that was constantly driven and maintained.
Here, watch the Mobil 1 video with testing the Mercedes doing 1 million kilometers. 13k mile oil changes.
This backwards thinking is absolutely incorrect and shows complete ignorance of the longevity of the modern engines and ability of the modern lubricants to protect the moving parts. Modern car with 100k commuter miles will have nearly ZERO wear on the drive-train. Garage queen will have FAR more issues from lack of driving then the car that was constantly driven and maintained.
Here, watch the Mobil 1 video with testing the Mercedes doing 1 million kilometers. 13k mile oil changes.
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I think there are more tactful ways of disagreeing than calling someone backwards and ignorant for not wanting to buy a 100K mile car when there plenty of alternatives. And I can show you plenty of videos of 100K mile engines that are near break-down.
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And that will prove me what? If you don't maintain the car parts fail? Some engines may fail before 100k miles? ^^
Fact is, modern automotive drive-train will last 200-300k with proper maintenance without breaking a sweat. Fact is, average car on US roads is 11.5 years old with average annual mileage of 12k miles, this comes to AVERAGE US car having 130-140k miles and still driving fine. Outliers that fail before 100k miles exist, but as with any statistical distribution their percentage is small. Most cars also get average level of maintenance. Properly serviced Porsche will be in far better shape at 100k miles then a so-so serviced Toyota.
For reference, some of the Honda mileage stories.
http://automobiles.honda.com/mile-makers/
Fact is, modern automotive drive-train will last 200-300k with proper maintenance without breaking a sweat. Fact is, average car on US roads is 11.5 years old with average annual mileage of 12k miles, this comes to AVERAGE US car having 130-140k miles and still driving fine. Outliers that fail before 100k miles exist, but as with any statistical distribution their percentage is small. Most cars also get average level of maintenance. Properly serviced Porsche will be in far better shape at 100k miles then a so-so serviced Toyota.
For reference, some of the Honda mileage stories.
http://automobiles.honda.com/mile-makers/
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[QUOTE=Kalashnikov;11300118]And that will prove me what? If you don't maintain the car parts fail? Some engines may fail before 100k miles? ^^
And what exactly are you proving? You provided a link showing a 100K Mercedes engine - uh, this is a Mobile 1 sponsored commercial. Unless this is your engine you have no idea how much went into restoring or repairing this engine to make this commercial. Brilliant.
And what exactly are you proving? You provided a link showing a 100K Mercedes engine - uh, this is a Mobile 1 sponsored commercial. Unless this is your engine you have no idea how much went into restoring or repairing this engine to make this commercial. Brilliant.
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What would be crazy would be paying too much for a 100k car. A fair price is what you should look for. Do your PPi, and then make the call. I have 103,000 kms on my car, or 60,000 miles. I bought it for a fair price. It was well maintained, I have full records. I has some previously inflicted patina and therefore I don't worry too much about it. If I had $100,000 dollars in this car, I would be a mess. Worried about where it is parked, taking the kids shoes off so they don't get the back seat dirty. Driving slow through deep puddle, not driving it in high humidity rain. I have driven this car the last 372 days every day, save 4 when the snow was deeper than the fog lights.
PPi and price = FUN FOR THE SUMMER
Shop wisely and you may never look back. It may also be your last Porsche because you will keep it, or it maybe your first Porsche, as you have now drunk the elixir.
Do you need it? NO. Your could drive a soulless impala. Its still cheaper than a girlfriend.
Buy it well, and you should be able to unload it if you need or want to.
PPi and price = FUN FOR THE SUMMER
Shop wisely and you may never look back. It may also be your last Porsche because you will keep it, or it maybe your first Porsche, as you have now drunk the elixir.
Do you need it? NO. Your could drive a soulless impala. Its still cheaper than a girlfriend.
Buy it well, and you should be able to unload it if you need or want to.
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Can't wait to see the results of the PPI! The car looks great in the picture. If the PPI is clean and the price is right that car will provide the new owner with tons of fun. I agree with BigSmoke in the previous reply - not having a huge investment in a car sure makes it less stressful to own. Positives include having a lot more money in the retirement account, and fewer tears after a door ding. Plus you get a convertible to rip around in just in time for summer. Yee-Ha!