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Old 02-06-2014, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Fahrer
Is it really an upgrade or just an alternate aftermarket design with a limited track record?
I see it as an upgrade. It is designed to be better and less problematic than the original design. It addresses the weaknesses that are inherent in the Porsche design. Is it perfect, maybe not, but by all accounts it is better.

That said, just because you have an engine with the weak bearing design doesn't mean your motor will automatically implode. Mine was replaced at 54k miles and the original bearing was in good condition.

As a side note, I find it ironic that so many people claim that you should only use OEM parts on your p-car as Porsche engineers design the best parts and how could the aftermarket do anything better than Porsche, etc, etc, . Yet there are several Porsche designed components on the M96/97 engines that are clearly problematic and weaknesses.
Old 02-06-2014, 10:52 AM
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There's that other cylinder type bearing that Vertex has.
http://www.vertexauto.com/ShowItem/2...nal%20Fix.aspx

Seems to make more sense that *****.I would think it's stronger.
I've not done mine and refuse to live in fear. If it goes, oh well, then sucks to be me.
But when time come to do the clutch, I'll do it then as part of the maintenance.
But at 120km 70k miles, I'm pretty comfortable right now.
Old 02-06-2014, 11:38 AM
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On my 996 I had the retrofit done when I bought the car (57k miles). And when I sold the car it had ~75k miles. I had absolutely no problems with it. Also, the old bearing was found to be in good condition - I just did the retrofit for peace of mind (no warranty)
As for my 997, it had the IMS failure during its time with the previous owner (who I know was quite meticulous in maintaining the car). Anyways, the engine was rebuilt with the ceramic bearing from LN and I've had ~4k miles on it now - haven't pushed the car at all so far. Might be worth to take a look at the bearing when its time to do the clutch as an exercise..
Old 02-06-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilD
I see it as an upgrade. It is designed to be better and less problematic than the original design. It addresses the weaknesses that are inherent in the Porsche design. Is it perfect, maybe not, but by all accounts it is better.

That said, just because you have an engine with the weak bearing design doesn't mean your motor will automatically implode. Mine was replaced at 54k miles and the original bearing was in good condition.

As a side note, I find it ironic that so many people claim that you should only use OEM parts on your p-car as Porsche engineers design the best parts and how could the aftermarket do anything better than Porsche, etc, etc, . Yet there are several Porsche designed components on the M96/97 engines that are clearly problematic and weaknesses.
I guess you will know when your car hits 108K miles. Will the "upgrade" be in as good condition as the OEM bearing was? I understand there have been some failures for the LN units as well. I imagine that those did not have so many miles on them since they are a relatively new offering. Hopefully you have no problems at all.
Old 02-06-2014, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fahrer
I guess you will know when your car hits 108K miles.
Yeah, that's a good point. At first the IMS issue never bothered me, but as I saw people having issues, the LN retrofit became more appealing. It gives me peace of mind if nothing else.
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Lotsa solutions out there now, if it were me, I would get a direct oil feed (DOF) solution and not just "a better bearing".

But beware, these engines have multiple failure modes and sometimes the IMS gets the blame when it shouldn't be. My very good mechanic declared my second engine failure on the IMS but the new owner pulled the bearing just to look at it and it was fine..... something else failed. He didn't bother to spend the time to learn as he had a replacement engine.

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Old 02-06-2014, 09:38 PM
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@myw I was not on CPO when I replaced the bearing. It was done during clutch replacement. The dealer even had the bearing in stock and mentioned that he had done this for quite a few cars.
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Originally Posted by D1coach
LN bearing installed 10,000 miles ago, no problems. Original bearing was in.excellent shape.
2005 C2
Thanks much for sharing the detail and glad to hear :-)
Old 02-09-2014, 12:18 PM
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Approximately 20,000 miles on LNE bearing. OEM bearing was perfect @ 31K.
Old 02-09-2014, 01:11 PM
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Ln considers the bearing a service item correct. Every 20k I believe.
Old 02-09-2014, 01:21 PM
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Yikes, replace the ims every 20k, I'm glad I'm not paranoid about this non issue.
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Originally Posted by Hella-Buggin'
Ln considers the bearing a service item correct. Every 20k I believe.
I'm positive there was a one time "permanent" ims fix released by LN this year
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Originally Posted by Lvt19672
Yikes, replace the ims every 20k, I'm glad I'm not paranoid about this non issue.
Every 50k miles was their recommendation.
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Originally Posted by myw
I'm positive there was a one time "permanent" ims fix released by LN this year
The new IMS Single Row Pro (Gen II) is a dual row bearing, but I don't any info on service life.
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Originally Posted by PhilD
Every 50k miles was their recommendation.
Correct - 50k is what I've read as well.


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