should I consider these 997.2 C2S?
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make sure car has CPO, CPO stays if you buy it from Porsche dealer or from a private party.
if you buy a previously CPO-ed car it from a non-Porsche dealer CPO status will be lost.
my almost problem-free car still had several issues that were covered by CPO status no questions asked - water pump, amplifier, something else mechanical as well, some creaking sounds in the dash, etc.
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CPO is not about the condition of the vehicle. Many make the mistake of thinking because a car has a CPO stamp it's in great condition and has been well cared for. This is not the case. While some dealers will actually perform the CPO checklist without simply signing things off, some will not. The CPO is more about the warranty.
With that said, you must put eyes on the car for yourself. Dealers will under-report everything.
With that said, you must put eyes on the car for yourself. Dealers will under-report everything.
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Do a PPI, then decide.
I had the option of having my 2010 CS2 CPO'd for an additional $3k. I said no and applied that amount to a 6-yr aftermarket warranty.
The Costco warranty on the wife's Mercedes has been great. Our local dealer was surprised and even commented that the Costco warranty covered some items that the CPO typically doesn't.
I had the option of having my 2010 CS2 CPO'd for an additional $3k. I said no and applied that amount to a 6-yr aftermarket warranty.
The Costco warranty on the wife's Mercedes has been great. Our local dealer was surprised and even commented that the Costco warranty covered some items that the CPO typically doesn't.
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CPO is not about the condition of the vehicle. Many make the mistake of thinking because a car has a CPO stamp it's in great condition and has been well cared for. This is not the case. While some dealers will actually perform the CPO checklist without simply signing things off, some will not. The CPO is more about the warranty.
With that said, you must put eyes on the car for yourself. Dealers will under-report everything.
With that said, you must put eyes on the car for yourself. Dealers will under-report everything.
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If not going in person have a PPI done by a independent shop regardless of CPO or not. Many don't realize even Porsche will allow a CPO on a car with a repainted panel.
Good indy shops will even send you pictures of the read out on the paint meter as part of the PPI.
If you need a good referral on a indy for a PPI go over to the 993 board and ask for a referral in the city/area where the car is. The 993 board is more active than this board and they are a great group with a lot of knowledge of who the good independent shops are.
Good indy shops will even send you pictures of the read out on the paint meter as part of the PPI.
If you need a good referral on a indy for a PPI go over to the 993 board and ask for a referral in the city/area where the car is. The 993 board is more active than this board and they are a great group with a lot of knowledge of who the good independent shops are.
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Mark,
Sound like I need to fly out before I buy...
I was thinking hiring someone to do a independent PPI over there.
Wouldn't that be enough? I heard some of the PPI even measure the thickness of the paint
to make sure there was no repaint. It is unlikely that I can fly out there....
David,
Wow, a 2010 C4S with 25k miles for only $64.5k!!! That is a steal!!!!!
I wish I can find a local private seller, it would make the whole deal so much easier!
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Sound like I need to fly out before I buy...
I was thinking hiring someone to do a independent PPI over there.
Wouldn't that be enough? I heard some of the PPI even measure the thickness of the paint
to make sure there was no repaint. It is unlikely that I can fly out there....
David,
Wow, a 2010 C4S with 25k miles for only $64.5k!!! That is a steal!!!!!
I wish I can find a local private seller, it would make the whole deal so much easier!
tim
I was not considering seller-owned vehicles until the messed-up Lozzy CPO affair with Beverly Hills Porsche. After that occurred I started more methodically searching the PCA ads (you need to join), CL, AutoTrader, 6speedonline (and other sites); I found mine in the PCA ads. The key is becoming obsessed searching because the fairly priced excellent cars don't last long.
Like I said, it may take a bit of time but you are heading into the season where you should have fewer potential buyers looking for a 911. If you want me to keep an eye open for a particularly optioned car, just send me a PM, I've gotten very efficient searching.
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If not going in person have a PPI done by a independent shop regardless of CPO or not. Many don't realize even Porsche will allow a CPO on a car with a repainted panel.
Good indy shops will even send you pictures of the read out on the paint meter as part of the PPI.
If you need a good referral on a indy for a PPI go over to the 993 board and ask for a referral in the city/area where the car is. The 993 board is more active than this board and they are a great group with a lot of knowledge of who the good independent shops are.
Good indy shops will even send you pictures of the read out on the paint meter as part of the PPI.
If you need a good referral on a indy for a PPI go over to the 993 board and ask for a referral in the city/area where the car is. The 993 board is more active than this board and they are a great group with a lot of knowledge of who the good independent shops are.
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Tim, in my case I did not fly to inspect the 911 but did have the PPI done by a RL (993 board) recommended Indy and the PO is a very special guy.
I was not considering seller-owned vehicles until the messed-up Lozzy CPO affair with Beverly Hills Porsche. After that occurred I started more methodically searching the PCA ads (you need to join), CL, AutoTrader, 6speedonline (and other sites); I found mine in the PCA ads. The key is becoming obsessed searching because the fairly priced excellent cars don't last long.
Like I said, it may take a bit of time but you are heading into the season where you should have fewer potential buyers looking for a 911. If you want me to keep an eye open for a particularly optioned car, just send me a PM, I've gotten very efficient searching.
I was not considering seller-owned vehicles until the messed-up Lozzy CPO affair with Beverly Hills Porsche. After that occurred I started more methodically searching the PCA ads (you need to join), CL, AutoTrader, 6speedonline (and other sites); I found mine in the PCA ads. The key is becoming obsessed searching because the fairly priced excellent cars don't last long.
Like I said, it may take a bit of time but you are heading into the season where you should have fewer potential buyers looking for a 911. If you want me to keep an eye open for a particularly optioned car, just send me a PM, I've gotten very efficient searching.
My wife just rolls her eye when she see me do my search almost anywhere,
like waiting for a table in a restaurant, waiting for checkout line in supermarket, etc..
You never know when your right car get in the listing!
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Thank you! You are so kind.
I found myself debuting whether or not to buy the car unseen.
There is another 997.2 about 100miles from me with similar price.
Only the color is not the one I like, but I can drive out in 2hrs and check
it out in person.
Should I settle for a different color?
Should I wait out for the right car to come in my area?
Should I fly out to Jackie Cooper?
Should I buy it unseen by me?
Or Should I wait unit Spring come? If I get it now, I can only enjoy
it for a month, and it will be sitting in the garage for the next 5-6 months!!!!
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!
tim
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Sometimes, even Porsche doesn't know what they stepped in. My first car had an aftermarket shifter and brake fluid in it. While they did ignore the color of the fluid, they did not know there was a SSK in the car. According to the CPO checklist "NO" aftermarket parts are allowed. Another P-dealer found it and wouldn't honor the warranty with respect to the shifter. I had to have it towed back to the original dealership where I bought the car to have it addressed.
This is now one of my concerns as I'm located 400+ miles from the orig dealer For this reason I will pay a visit to the service mgr at the local dealer shortly.
Your example and the ongoing Lozzy - Beverly Hills Porsche matter are the type of issues Porsche should be out in front of; reacting late over and over with improper customer care is troublesome.
To say the least, I hope that these CPO issues are rectified in the near future; I suspect that the folks here and elsewhere that are talking (and listening) about Porsche, whether they are researching a purchase or actively enjoying the vehicles (and/or searching for additional ones!) would prefer for Porsche to work quickly to fix the CPO issues, most especially how a vehicle is awarded that designation...and how Porsche deals with these issues moving forward.
Ya know we love the Porsche brand more than you can imagine and truly only want to focus on the often intense joy that transpires for all of us when we are interacting with the hardward!
Customer care is often a difficult service to deliver however mistakes can almost always be rectified in some quick mutually beneficial manner; solving the issues is all that the customer (that would be us) desires. It happened to me just yesterday with Enterprise: they screwed up/I was made happy...friggin simple if you ask me...but one did ;-p
I guess that at this point I am waiting for these types of issues to be resolved more proactively AND ALL Porsche owners return to the business of purely loving the brand because of the untold stories, circumstance and reasons that go into that passion.
Shutting up now...going for a drive now
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To be quite honest, I don't like either of them for my own personal reasons. I can't stand white with beige and wouldn't want a car without Adaptive Sport Seats amongst a few other things those cars lack.
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I flew out to see mine before I bought it. I was prepared either way when I landed. But the dealership was very forthcoming about the car. It was clean ppi, low miles, and cpo (now I have learned the latter doesnt count for much depending on the dealer) so I want too worried. I would have bought it sight unseen but airfare was cheap enough.
