California: Buying a new vehicle from out of state
#16
Three Wheelin'
But I'm a bit confused about your references to Audi of America? I didn't think that there were anymore Porsche+Audi dealerships. So, is it a Porshe that you bought or an Audi - and if it's a Porsche why would you reference Audi of America and not PCNA.
Insofar as having to have the car smogged, to call CA DMV rules arcane doesn't even come close to being an apt description - but, I would venture to guess that there is no assurance that even a new car meets CA smog requirements. By that I mean, perhaps if there is a flaw in the system (it's not like new cars are always 100 percent without little glitches) CA wants it fixed. It could be that the out of state dealership is just covering itself in this respect.
#18
Racer
You need a smog cert. regardless of age, EXCEPT for new cars. You said your transaction was private. That means you purchased your car used. Yes you need a smog. OP is buying a brand new, 50 state car. Just like buying it in state, no smog required.
No smog cert needed B-Line.
No smog cert needed B-Line.
#19
Rennlist Member
CAdmv.gov has all the info on their site. When you buy a new car in CA you pay a fee to cover smog checks for the 1st 4 years, when you buy a car out of CA & bring it into CA you pay CA sales tax unless you don't bring the car into CA for 90 days. If you register the car in less than 90 days you pay the sales tax (9.5%) at that time.
#20
CAdmv.gov has all the info on their site. When you buy a new car in CA you pay a fee to cover smog checks for the 1st 4 years, when you buy a car out of CA & bring it into CA you pay CA sales tax unless you don't bring the car into CA for 90 days. If you register the car in less than 90 days you pay the sales tax (9.5%) at that time.
Example;
A person living in Oregon buys a new car and 100 days later moves to CA, they will not have to pay CA sales tax on that new car.
If same person buys same new car and moves to CA 80 days later, they owe CA the sales tax on that purchase.
There is no way CA is going to leave a gaping hole in the sales tax laws like you've suggested. Everyone would be buying their cars out of state and waiting 90 days to register them in CA. Ain't going to happen.
#21
Drifting
Thread Starter
Since I still own my 997 Turbo and my 993C2S, I often ask my general, car related questions on Rennlist rather than going to the Audi forums. Why? Cause I can say, hands down, without any competition.... The best information about all things vehicle related are usually on Rennlist.
Rennlist seems to attract a highly educated, highly devoted and highly informed group of enthusiasts who take great pride in helping one another.
While a lot of other forums have great camaraderie, they don't have the knowledge and/or traffic to help facilitate quick, easy answers.
Go Rennlist!
#23
Racer
I bought a brand new, Audi R8, V10, Spyder, 6MT.
Since I still own my 997 Turbo and my 993C2S, I often ask my general, car related questions on Rennlist rather than going to the Audi forums. Why? Cause I can say, hands down, without any competition.... The best information about all things vehicle related are usually on Rennlist.
Rennlist seems to attract a highly educated, highly devoted and highly informed group of enthusiasts who take great pride in helping one another.
While a lot of other forums have great camaraderie, they don't have the knowledge and/or traffic to help facilitate quick, easy answers.
Go Rennlist!
Since I still own my 997 Turbo and my 993C2S, I often ask my general, car related questions on Rennlist rather than going to the Audi forums. Why? Cause I can say, hands down, without any competition.... The best information about all things vehicle related are usually on Rennlist.
Rennlist seems to attract a highly educated, highly devoted and highly informed group of enthusiasts who take great pride in helping one another.
While a lot of other forums have great camaraderie, they don't have the knowledge and/or traffic to help facilitate quick, easy answers.
Go Rennlist!
#24
Drifting
Thread Starter
And I'll still have my 993.
- I had my eyes on a R8 Spyder for a while and was doing some digging/test driving. When I tell you, I was on the hunt for the right car at the right time, I'm not exaggerating.
See, Audi did not make any 2013 R8's because they are coming out with the new R8 which has very insignificant changes. Biggest change is the Rtronic -> Stronic transmission and different tail lights.
- But I wanted a manual. So they are essentially the same car.
At the end of 2012, Audi made a big batch of R8's that were shipped to the US as the final production vehicles. They threw in free upgraded (Audi Exclusive) paint, some interior stuff, etc.
These highly optioned but recently delivered 2012 R8's are taking up show room floor that Audi wants for the 2014's which are being made now.
My point being, the MSRP on the 2012 R8, Spyder with the paint and options I have is nearly $180k. My purchase price was $143k. $37k off MSRP.
I bought my V10, highly optioned spyder for less than a lot of people paid for a V8 coupe.
Right place, right time...
#25
Nordschleife Master
#26
Rennlist Member
Haha, thanks Mark. How do you know what I bought and where I bought it?
I was thinking of doing a fly and drive but one of my friends made a great point to me.
"Driving an R8 spyder across the country, your first experience with the car will be everything that's negative about the car without really being able to enjoy the positive."
The car is really small, no storage, etc. I thought he made a great point. It's not like taking delivery of a car in Portland and driving the coast. That's how I took delivery of the Turbo. it was incredible!
I was thinking of doing a fly and drive but one of my friends made a great point to me.
"Driving an R8 spyder across the country, your first experience with the car will be everything that's negative about the car without really being able to enjoy the positive."
The car is really small, no storage, etc. I thought he made a great point. It's not like taking delivery of a car in Portland and driving the coast. That's how I took delivery of the Turbo. it was incredible!
Sometimes the dealer is required to sell the car to a person who will be registering it to drive in the US. There are a number of folks who buy these beauties and export them outside of the manufacturer's distribution channels. Audi might have rules on the R8.
A local Rennlister (Dr. G) picked up a beautiful R8 10 coupe a few months back. We all drooled over it during a NY Metro Run to Bear Mountain and the Catskills and beyond. Reach out to him to get his perspectives. I believe he loves it.
Mark
#27
Drifting
Thread Starter
#28
Rennlist Member
First, use AAA if you have it. They do registrations and out of state checks for cars. I've used it a few times and worth the price to not got to DMV.
Agreed the wording on smog checks is somewhat vague, my understanding was NEW and 50 state car you are OK, no smog needed. AAA will advise for sure.
Curious on this: The taxes you paid were those NJ sales taxes or CA sales taxes? When you reg in CA do you have to pay CA tax? Or is there some sort of agreement with the taxes paid already?
Agreed the wording on smog checks is somewhat vague, my understanding was NEW and 50 state car you are OK, no smog needed. AAA will advise for sure.
Curious on this: The taxes you paid were those NJ sales taxes or CA sales taxes? When you reg in CA do you have to pay CA tax? Or is there some sort of agreement with the taxes paid already?
#29
Pro
First, use AAA if you have it. They do registrations and out of state checks for cars. I've used it a few times and worth the price to not got to DMV.
Agreed the wording on smog checks is somewhat vague, my understanding was NEW and 50 state car you are OK, no smog needed. AAA will advise for sure.
Curious on this: The taxes you paid were those NJ sales taxes or CA sales taxes? When you reg in CA do you have to pay CA tax? Or is there some sort of agreement with the taxes paid already?
Agreed the wording on smog checks is somewhat vague, my understanding was NEW and 50 state car you are OK, no smog needed. AAA will advise for sure.
Curious on this: The taxes you paid were those NJ sales taxes or CA sales taxes? When you reg in CA do you have to pay CA tax? Or is there some sort of agreement with the taxes paid already?