997.1 vs 997.2
11-04-2011, 11:52 AM
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After considering a Porsche for while, I bought a used 2007 997.1 C4S to get started on the brand and also get to know the car well. Ultimately, I wanted to buy a brand new 911 customized to my needs(wants!). So I test drove a new C4S recently, and I wasn't awed at all buy the difference in the cars, i.e. 997.1 vs 997.2.
or you can look for 997 gt2 cars if any are still left out there - they also can be tuned into stratosphere.
newer electronics, touchscreen PCM are all nice, are they dealbraker for me? no. GTS has very noticable power increase but, well, it is not if you tried a new Z06/ZR1 car compared to 997 car.
you can wait for new 991 to come and test drive them to make your opinion. only real solution here is to spend time at a delaer and test drive those cars to see how you feel and what you want to gain from spending more money on newer platform. my dealbraker zone will start when new engines will cross 450hp mark, then i will not be able to sleep anymore. But for now my old 3.6L M96 still works fine, it is still under CPO warranty, so, why to bother?
11-04-2011, 11:56 AM
#17
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it is a biggest mistake people do. gt3 engine wakes up and delivers its raw power in high rpm range which you will almost never use on street.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
11-04-2011, 01:45 PM
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it is a biggest mistake people do. gt3 engine wakes up and delivers its raw power in high rpm range which you will almost never use on street.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
11-04-2011, 02:22 PM
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i had the 997S and now a gt3... the gt3's added power and higher redline plus long 1-2 gearing takes much more "commitment" let's say to redline it on public roads. youre in the danger zone that much quicker.
11-04-2011, 02:31 PM
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11-04-2011, 04:27 PM
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it is a biggest mistake people do. gt3 engine wakes up and delivers its raw power in high rpm range which you will almost never use on street.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
so a lot of folks actually 'feel' a gt3 car has less power than GTS car has as GTS was tuned for street driving and its lower rpm band has more torque and 'kick' compared to gt3. gt3 and gt3 rs cars are tuned for different goals.
Cup car is specifically for the track
11-04-2011, 06:31 PM
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It was the late summer of '08 that I made the decision to buy a Porsche. My original plan was to get a new one, and because it was so late in the model year I decided to wait and get an '09. The first time I saw one in person, I approached it from the front with my heart pounding with excitement. Then I walked around and saw those taillights, and felt like I was going to hurl. I mean, that drooping lower edge just doesn't go with any of the car's rear lines, like whoever designed them never saw the car. I know it's a matter of taste, and taillight shape shouldn't be a deal-breaker. I mean, I should be only concerned with how fast it goes, right? Yeah, right. Since I'm never going to be anyplace I can drive it over 80mph it really matters what the top end is. Not! And I'm not alone here, just ask everyone who thought the 996 headlights were atrocious (raises hand again).
So I quickly changed my mind and realized I wanted a 997. That thought led to the realization that nobody but a Porsche geek could tell the difference between an '05 and an '08, so I saved myself 50%.
Personally I think the 997 is the most iconic-looking of the water-cooled generations. Sure it has its faults, but hell, the *** of a 911 is dead sexy and those .2 taillights look to me like blobs of cellulite
So I quickly changed my mind and realized I wanted a 997. That thought led to the realization that nobody but a Porsche geek could tell the difference between an '05 and an '08, so I saved myself 50%.
Personally I think the 997 is the most iconic-looking of the water-cooled generations. Sure it has its faults, but hell, the *** of a 911 is dead sexy and those .2 taillights look to me like blobs of cellulite
11-04-2011, 08:15 PM
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almost never. what for? just to run to next traffic light and to risk leaving half of suspension in the next pothole? i drive fast but max torque in not close to redline, it is from 4K to 5K rpm and that is where I stay most of the time if I want to feel instant throttle response. but usually i just put in 4th or 5th gear and go at 2.5K -3K rpm to save gas.
08-15-2018, 09:45 AM
#25
I too am flipping between the 997.1 vs 997.2. The .1 have great prices now..like a 2008 C2S. But I should I be concerned about the score boring and IMS? Or just go for the 997.2? There seems to more 997.1s out there.
08-16-2018, 09:31 AM
#26
I'm also new here. Isn't the best deals on the 997.1? The 2009 or later seem to be way more money to the point where a 991 would be within reach. I'm been reading to my eyes hurt, but if I'm not mistaken, the mid-year 2006 or later is where you want to start looking? Is it because the 2005 was the first in the series or what?
08-16-2018, 09:45 AM
#27
3 reasons
997.2 engine has no IMS, is less likely to have bore scoring issues due to liner change and DFI added more power.
2 the global recession reduced builds in 2009
3 the steering feel of the 997 is more direct than the 991. those are driving the 997.2 to hold a higher value than the 997.1 and keeping it close or on par with the 991.1.
997.2 engine has no IMS, is less likely to have bore scoring issues due to liner change and DFI added more power.
2 the global recession reduced builds in 2009
3 the steering feel of the 997 is more direct than the 991. those are driving the 997.2 to hold a higher value than the 997.1 and keeping it close or on par with the 991.1.
08-16-2018, 10:03 AM
#28
3 reasons
997.2 engine has no IMS, is less likely to have bore scoring issues due to liner change and DFI added more power.
2 the global recession reduced builds in 2009
3 the steering feel of the 997 is more direct than the 991. those are driving the 997.2 to hold a higher value than the 997.1 and keeping it close or on par with the 991.1.
997.2 engine has no IMS, is less likely to have bore scoring issues due to liner change and DFI added more power.
2 the global recession reduced builds in 2009
3 the steering feel of the 997 is more direct than the 991. those are driving the 997.2 to hold a higher value than the 997.1 and keeping it close or on par with the 991.1.
08-16-2018, 10:04 AM
#29
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This stuff isn't particularly mysterious guys.. 911 which cost less up front have reasons why. Like anything else you pay money for. You get the option of;
1. Paying more up front for a newer car (with a reliable engine that doesn't have known problems) and piece of mind
2. Paying less up front for an older car with a number of known engine problems which may not ever impact your ownership. The likelihood of those problems is small.
3. Paying less up front for an older car and doing preventative maintenance that may or may not protect you from an engine failure
IMS, bore scoring, timing chain failure..
Think of what'll happen if you have an engine failure. Its not like you just pay for your engine to be fixed.. you're going to be without use of your car for months, possibly even a year or two if you have it rebuilt by well known top talent engine builders. On the other hand there could be $15-20k difference in price. But if you have your engine rebuilt for $15k due to a failure did you save the money? Or did you just buy an older car and end up paying the same you could have paid for the newer car that will always be worth more money.
I certainly would not want to be driving around in a 997.1 that I paid $30k for initially, engine fails, cars down 8 months, pay $20k for a quality rebuild.. now I have a $50k 2007 Carrera S that I can sell for $36k...
1. Paying more up front for a newer car (with a reliable engine that doesn't have known problems) and piece of mind
2. Paying less up front for an older car with a number of known engine problems which may not ever impact your ownership. The likelihood of those problems is small.
3. Paying less up front for an older car and doing preventative maintenance that may or may not protect you from an engine failure
IMS, bore scoring, timing chain failure..
Think of what'll happen if you have an engine failure. Its not like you just pay for your engine to be fixed.. you're going to be without use of your car for months, possibly even a year or two if you have it rebuilt by well known top talent engine builders. On the other hand there could be $15-20k difference in price. But if you have your engine rebuilt for $15k due to a failure did you save the money? Or did you just buy an older car and end up paying the same you could have paid for the newer car that will always be worth more money.
I certainly would not want to be driving around in a 997.1 that I paid $30k for initially, engine fails, cars down 8 months, pay $20k for a quality rebuild.. now I have a $50k 2007 Carrera S that I can sell for $36k...
08-16-2018, 10:44 AM
#30
Well said Fined. I am drawing the line at 997.2. I have a PDK that I am interested in but I can't decide if I should wait and find a manual. I know I would be happy with either.