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I would be embarrassed to make that offer today, as the market has firmed up quite a bit in the last 18months. You may just end up souring the sales staff to make any sort of reasonable deal with you.
Good luck though. Think you'll be needing a lot of it!
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I have a casual friendship with the owner, we have several mutual friends as well. Despite that, right now it looks like a 12% discount is about the best I can get. Paying $88,000.00 right now might be a fair price, but I am having a hard time with it.
Good luck though. Think you'll be needing a lot of it!
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I have a casual friendship with the owner, we have several mutual friends as well. Despite that, right now it looks like a 12% discount is about the best I can get. Paying $88,000.00 right now might be a fair price, but I am having a hard time with it.
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this. absolutely all of this
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I agree that it was a fun car to drive. But the Cayman is a fun car to drive. I realize that they are two different types of cars, and should "feel" different to drive, which they do.
I am an occasional driver, not a track guy, and when I do drive I usually spend most of my time going back and forth on the interstate. About 500 or 600 miles per month, max.
For reasons I can't explain I really like the look of this particular Carrera. This one is silver with black interior, not especially exotic, but nice in any event. The Cayman is exotic, black over saddle interior, and attracts lots of attention in the rural area where I live and work.
I can afford the car; I am having trouble reconciling the difference in cost, probably close to 40K, should I trade. Like I said, I had a lot of fun during the 45 minute test drive, I just don't know if I had $40,000 worth of fun.
I am an occasional driver, not a track guy, and when I do drive I usually spend most of my time going back and forth on the interstate. About 500 or 600 miles per month, max.
For reasons I can't explain I really like the look of this particular Carrera. This one is silver with black interior, not especially exotic, but nice in any event. The Cayman is exotic, black over saddle interior, and attracts lots of attention in the rural area where I live and work.
I can afford the car; I am having trouble reconciling the difference in cost, probably close to 40K, should I trade. Like I said, I had a lot of fun during the 45 minute test drive, I just don't know if I had $40,000 worth of fun.
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I think you have to go with which car grabs yer soul. Which car are you thinking, dreaming, talking about etc... In my case I like the Cayman but it feels small and cramped to me. Is it supposedly more balanced? Yes but I choose the 911 because it GRABBED me. I love this car and STILL do after 3 years. I even was go to trade it in on a new 2012 GTS and backed out! Forget about the price difference. These cars are not investments. Keeping driving both and you'll reach your decision.
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I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about in offering 82k on a 100k car. One never knows unless he asks, and he could be polite, prefacing with..."look, I don't mean to be insulting, but in order for this to work I will need an insanely good deal. Its not the right time, I don't really have the cash, my wife will throw a fit...etc."
Otoh, when a trade is involved it's easier and perhaps less controversial to talk about the $ difference you would purchase the new car for. This lets the dealer believe whatever he wants to about the value of their car, but that you are being prideful about the value of your car.
And the fact is, at this point in the game it's more about getting the 997s out the door in order tro earn more allotments for the 991s.
Otoh, when a trade is involved it's easier and perhaps less controversial to talk about the $ difference you would purchase the new car for. This lets the dealer believe whatever he wants to about the value of their car, but that you are being prideful about the value of your car.
And the fact is, at this point in the game it's more about getting the 997s out the door in order tro earn more allotments for the 991s.
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Selo is right, the dealer did not take offense at my low offer, nor was I embarrassed to give it. It did open a dialog that is still in progress. As I said earlier, the owner of the dealership is a friend, but at the end of the day they exist to make money and I know that. The owner also knows that I am a "dream" customer in that I have money and am an impulsive buyer; they are expending lots of energy right now just to keep me interested in the car. They know that I am likely to buy it if I get over that resistance to the big jump in price (Cayman to Carrera). They also know that I am likely to NOT buy it if I lose interest, decide to wait for the 991, visit another dealership, and find a car that "grabs" me, as Zeus993 says.
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Well, it's easy. Raced all the cars at the Porsche World Tour. Spiders, Cayman R and various 911's. In my view, the ride of the 911 is totally superior. Had a lot more fun! Maybe it's the size, torque, DFI, width, technology, blah blah. I was sold and traded in a week later. No knock at the Boxter/cayman. They are awesome cars but the 911 is in a different league.
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it wasnt that long ago when discounts in the high teens were avail. Its true that things have firmed up since, but it doesnt mean you cant deal. If the dealer is unable to meet your offer perhaps you could ask for a options/mods that you would get anyway. Separately, consider looking at '10-11 CPO cars.
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I agree that it was a fun car to drive. But the Cayman is a fun car to drive. I realize that they are two different types of cars, and should "feel" different to drive, which they do.
[...] I can afford the car; I am having trouble reconciling the difference in cost, probably close to 40K, should I trade. Like I said, I had a lot of fun during the 45 minute test drive, I just don't know if I had $40,000 worth of fun.
[...] I can afford the car; I am having trouble reconciling the difference in cost, probably close to 40K, should I trade. Like I said, I had a lot of fun during the 45 minute test drive, I just don't know if I had $40,000 worth of fun.
I don't think you're going to push the envelope enough to feel the difference in sophistication of the suspension in the Carrera models. And if you can't feel the difference and don't need the improved track times, then you will never find $40k worth of difference. Besides, until you move into the GT models, the Carreras as usually ordered by dealers favor an understated elegant appearance. We live in a rural area also and get compliments daily, but the Spyder and R do indeed have a more 'exotic' appearance unless you start modifying a Carrera.
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I find that the OP is having a difficult time trying to justify paying the $40K difference. He is not comparing apples to apples instead comparing an orange to an apple. A Cayman is NOT a 997.2 even though they have some similarities. Is it worth $40K difference? In that regard I say to each his own. Many will say that it is while other will say it isn't. In the end it really is up to you the buyer to make that decision.
In regards to the price, I would have to say good luck on getting the car for $88K as it would appear a little on the low side for a 2012 997.2. However, there are always deals to be made and you never know what the dealer is willing to do to get this car moved.
In regards to the price, I would have to say good luck on getting the car for $88K as it would appear a little on the low side for a 2012 997.2. However, there are always deals to be made and you never know what the dealer is willing to do to get this car moved.
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Just curious - is 10% to 12% off sticker way out of reason? I have been watching a 2012 GTS and this week I casually spoke to a salesman and asked how much "room" he had in the sticker price. He said that since the car is starting to collect dust and that there has only been one interested buyer whose credit fell through, that I "might" be able to get 3% to 5% off of list.
I know I shouldn't be toying with this, I will get myself in trouble. Originally I thought I would keep my eyes open for a CPO 2009 C2S and if/when the right one came along I would move up from my 996.
I know I shouldn't be toying with this, I will get myself in trouble. Originally I thought I would keep my eyes open for a CPO 2009 C2S and if/when the right one came along I would move up from my 996.
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"I find that the OP is having a difficult time trying to justify paying the $40K difference. He is not comparing apples to apples instead comparing an orange to an apple. A Cayman is NOT a 997.2 even though they have some similarities. Is it worth $40K difference? In that regard I say to each his own. Many will say that it is while other will say it isn't. In the end it really is up to you the buyer to make that decision. "
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Which describes the situation pretty well.
I am probably the least experienced Porsche owner on this list. A year ago I had no thoughts of Porsches, no dreams of track days, had never even been in one these cars. I hadn't researched Porsches, driven different models, talked to owners. I didn't know this list existed. The car just "appeared" for my birthday, as the Cayman turned out to be a birthday present from my wife on my 60th. And like I said earlier, I have found it to be fun to drive; Yesterday's test drive of the Carrera was exactly my second Porsche to drive, or even sit in. And also like I said in an earlier post, I can't even clearly articulate why I like the car as much as I do. I don't even like to drive fast, I don't know where the best curvy roads are, I actually walk to and from work, go figure.
I guess I am looking for "guidance more than answers" and I appreciate the comments offered so far.
Maybe I should drive a GTS?
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Which describes the situation pretty well.
I am probably the least experienced Porsche owner on this list. A year ago I had no thoughts of Porsches, no dreams of track days, had never even been in one these cars. I hadn't researched Porsches, driven different models, talked to owners. I didn't know this list existed. The car just "appeared" for my birthday, as the Cayman turned out to be a birthday present from my wife on my 60th. And like I said earlier, I have found it to be fun to drive; Yesterday's test drive of the Carrera was exactly my second Porsche to drive, or even sit in. And also like I said in an earlier post, I can't even clearly articulate why I like the car as much as I do. I don't even like to drive fast, I don't know where the best curvy roads are, I actually walk to and from work, go figure.
I guess I am looking for "guidance more than answers" and I appreciate the comments offered so far.
Maybe I should drive a GTS?
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