OT: Sad direction in car design
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personally, i love my PDK because it allows me to focus more on the line, throttle and braking in addition to adding performance. that's just me, it's not for everybody. i'd just rather focus more on the car being in the right place at the right time and at the appropriate velocity. my 'experience' in the car does not suffer.
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I'm a big fan of technology. I love the technological wizardry that lets me drive cars with literal superhuman performance. PDK and traction control that automatically does magic like one-wheel braking can give performance far and above what's possible with manual human control. It doesn't mean the gadget-filled car is worse, it just means you have to drive it differently to take advantage of all it gives you. Go ahead, shift in mid-corner, it's OK, technology lets you do that now AND maintain control AND get the gear your need right when you need it! Go ahead, drive to 11/10ths; if you did it right, your car will magically dial that right down to 10/10ths for you. Don't bitch about how the nannies get in the way. Learn to use them to your advantage.
Poignant crash test video here comparing a '59 Chevy with a '09 Chevy showing how far safety has come in the last 50 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ptU...layer_embedded
Poignant crash test video here comparing a '59 Chevy with a '09 Chevy showing how far safety has come in the last 50 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ptU...layer_embedded
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Folks,
I was sad by BMW's news about the i3 and i8 direction today. The thing that bothered me the most was: "breaking with the acceleration pedal".
I just can't imagine the sports driving experience in the absence of combustion engine, gears, or break pedal.
I am typically not resistant to change but I am having some trouble with this direction. Perahps it will be different once I drive a car like that in the future.
In the last two weeks, I've been in two rentals: a Prius and a Nissan Versa. Both were good reminders that I really appreciate the driving "feel" and experience.
Thoughts?
-T
I was sad by BMW's news about the i3 and i8 direction today. The thing that bothered me the most was: "breaking with the acceleration pedal".
I just can't imagine the sports driving experience in the absence of combustion engine, gears, or break pedal.
I am typically not resistant to change but I am having some trouble with this direction. Perahps it will be different once I drive a car like that in the future.
In the last two weeks, I've been in two rentals: a Prius and a Nissan Versa. Both were good reminders that I really appreciate the driving "feel" and experience.
Thoughts?
-T
Sorry, what is i3 and i8 are gonna be like? I couldn't find much info on it.
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Probably not all that relevant to your point but you're aware that the 59 belair had no engine in it, right? The belair would've faired better had that been the case. I'm not making the point that it's safer than a modern car but this video isn't 100% open and truthful.
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I really believe that we are in a bit of rennaisance right now with cars and it will go down hill from here.
Energy costs, safety enforcement and the further emergence of technology will eventually drive us completely out of the driver's seat.
We'll all be rolling around in driverless individual transportation devices controlled by technology to eliminate accidents while delivering us efficiently to our destination.
Actual driving will only take place on private roads and tracks. Like the horseback riding example.
Give it 20 years or less.
Energy costs, safety enforcement and the further emergence of technology will eventually drive us completely out of the driver's seat.
We'll all be rolling around in driverless individual transportation devices controlled by technology to eliminate accidents while delivering us efficiently to our destination.
Actual driving will only take place on private roads and tracks. Like the horseback riding example.
Give it 20 years or less.
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neither are in production to the best of my knowledge.
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Here are a couple of i3 references: http://www.bmw-i-usa.com/en_us/bmw-i3/
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._cars-car_news
Can you imagine driving with no break pedal? I'm Ok with that at Disney Land but not when driving around town!!!
-T
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._cars-car_news
Can you imagine driving with no break pedal? I'm Ok with that at Disney Land but not when driving around town!!!
-T
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Here are a couple of i3 references: http://www.bmw-i-usa.com/en_us/bmw-i3/
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._cars-car_news
Can you imagine driving with no break pedal? I'm Ok with that at Disney Land but not when driving around town!!!
-T
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._cars-car_news
Can you imagine driving with no break pedal? I'm Ok with that at Disney Land but not when driving around town!!!
-T
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They're just referring to the electric equivalent of engine braking. There's still a conventional brake pedal and brake system. A Tesla Roadster is similarly calibrated to recover a large amount of energy when you lift of the accelerator. There's so much engine braking effect it feels like the car is powered by an enormous AMG V8.
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-T
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Notice everyday, Porsches, Audis, and VWs are looking better (the Golf R is absolutely gorgeous!), and everyday Mercedes Benzs, and BMWs are getting uglier (WAY too many sharp styling lines; all of their new cars already look dated).
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BRAKE pedal! Argh....
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This must not be the "where the hell are the flying cars already?" crowd. ![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Looks to me like BMW is just trying to be in business 20 years from now. The horse riding example brings to mind that anecdote about the buggy whip maker who went out of business as automobiles became mainstream - failing to realize that he was in the transportation business rather than the buggy whip business.
Historically what I notice about transportation equipment is that there has always been a version made for fun and pleasure, regardless of the times - while it may be different - and most likely will be - than today's version, I suspect there will still be products that meet that fun factor need.
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Looks to me like BMW is just trying to be in business 20 years from now. The horse riding example brings to mind that anecdote about the buggy whip maker who went out of business as automobiles became mainstream - failing to realize that he was in the transportation business rather than the buggy whip business.
Historically what I notice about transportation equipment is that there has always been a version made for fun and pleasure, regardless of the times - while it may be different - and most likely will be - than today's version, I suspect there will still be products that meet that fun factor need.
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