911 Transmissions made in Japan
03-15-2011, 01:38 AM
#16
Wow, I didn't know that! 
And seriously, with all respect, this is the problem nowadays. Now folks just think that shifting is all about banging from one gear to another as fast as possibble, with the help from the computer in the shifting action like engaging/disengaging the clutch(es) and matching the rpm in milliseconds.
In a manual transmission, the clutch is a continuously variable control that we can manually & precisely control the slip bewteen the gears, so to do things that a computer control gearbox will not allow us to do. I think Andreas Preuninger says it the best:
With best regards,
And seriously, with all respect, this is the problem nowadays. Now folks just think that shifting is all about banging from one gear to another as fast as possibble, with the help from the computer in the shifting action like engaging/disengaging the clutch(es) and matching the rpm in milliseconds.
In a manual transmission, the clutch is a continuously variable control that we can manually & precisely control the slip bewteen the gears, so to do things that a computer control gearbox will not allow us to do. I think Andreas Preuninger says it the best:
With best regards,
03-15-2011, 02:36 AM
#18
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03-15-2011, 02:42 AM
#19
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03-15-2011, 02:52 AM
#20
Nordschleife Master
Usually the hate comes from the manual fan side, but I guess there's the exception to the rule. I say both are perfectly good options. Pick your preference and allow others to pick the other. The primal posturing from either side is simply wrong.
03-15-2011, 02:52 AM
#21
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03-15-2011, 03:20 AM
#23
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For me, it's not hate, but panic that manuals will no longer be offered in modern cars and the only way to get a manual transmission is to buy classic/antique cars. I love interacting with machines in an analog way. Porsche has a good thing going with the optioning you can do with their cars and, for me, I hope the manual will be one of those options for a long time. That will keep me a loyal customer.
(Shhh, don't tell the manual guys, but I went down to the P-car dealer this weekend looking to test drive a PDK'd 911. Luckily, or unluckily, for me they didn't have any.
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03-15-2011, 01:05 PM
#25
Race Director
+997
03-18-2011, 12:03 AM
#28
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1- Dual clutch and sequential transmissions has been in racing for a long time and they sure are faster than manual transmission. There is no argument there
2- What makes Porsche so great is the traditional approach to the cars. Porsche isn't trying to digitize everything like Ferrari 458 and Nissan GT-R. It still has the analogue approach where it rewards the better driver It's more about the joy you get out of driving the car, rather than going fast and leaving everything else for the car to do.
I am a manual guy, not for the shifting speed, but for the satisfaction I get when I drive my car And no, for me it wouldn't be this fun with an automatic/PDK...
2- What makes Porsche so great is the traditional approach to the cars. Porsche isn't trying to digitize everything like Ferrari 458 and Nissan GT-R. It still has the analogue approach where it rewards the better driver
It's more about the joy you get out of driving the car, rather than going fast and leaving everything else for the car to do.I am a manual guy, not for the shifting speed, but for the satisfaction I get when I drive my car
And no, for me it wouldn't be this fun with an automatic/PDK...
03-18-2011, 12:31 AM
#29
Three Wheelin'
Saw Nigel Mansell interviewed a few years ago and, snork that he is, was railing about how the auto transmissions and reliance on computerization has taken a lot of driving skill out of the F1 equation (his words, my paraphrasing).
