PDK vs Manual
11-21-2010, 02:36 PM
#76
Three Wheelin'
11-21-2010, 02:45 PM
#77
Rennlist Member
Just don't insult them and while claiming you have "no problem" with their choices. That's just cowardly.
11-21-2010, 02:53 PM
#78
Three Wheelin'
Seriously, "ladies, you can tell a lot about a guy from his gearbox"?
We all know it's the shoes, not the gearbox. No...wait...big hands, maybe? 
11-21-2010, 02:54 PM
#79
Nordschleife Master
11-21-2010, 03:10 PM
#80
Rennlist Member
People are allowed to disagree about this, you know? There's nothing wrong with either preference.
11-21-2010, 03:22 PM
#81
Poseur
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Remember, it's all about having the OPTION. You get to chose what you want. Each has pluses and minuses and you must determine that for yourself, and not base your decision upon the inputs of others.
11-21-2010, 03:41 PM
#82
Three Wheelin'
PDK is less involving. There's way less to do - even in manual mode, the computer is still doing everything other than gear change timing. In auto, it controls everything about gear changes...
or does it? 
I guess the debate can be, now that you are not involved with that, can you be more involved with steering, braking, watching traffic, drinking coffee, texting, day-dreaming, putting on makeup, trying to out-think the PDK computers...or just wasting the time doing nothing?
or does it? I guess the debate can be, now that you are not involved with that, can you be more involved with steering, braking, watching traffic, drinking coffee, texting, day-dreaming, putting on makeup, trying to out-think the PDK computers...or just wasting the time doing nothing?
11-21-2010, 03:47 PM
#83
Rennlist Member
I agree completely, and I think stevepow was very insightful when he observed:
For me, at least, this is exactly on target. I am scared that the manual transmission will eventually be eliminated by Porsche in the same way that we've seen with some other sports car marques. I don't want to lose the option, even recognizing that the PDK is indisputably superior and faster. If at times I sound shrill it's because of this fear. I don't want to lose the option.
I was out at the track all day yesterday (yay Texas weather) but wasn't able to carry my track wheels with me so I was running on my nearly-dead street tires. On aging street tires at Harris Hill Road my lap times were about four seconds off my usual times (5% slower, give or take). I didn't have any less fun. In fact, it was a total blast hooning around through the tight corners and making the best use of slip and oversteer as I could with the lack of grip. I usually come home from the track a little sore, but today it's my cheeks that ache from the grinning.
I was way slower, but arguably had more fun than usual. I don't care how you specced your Porsche -- you invariably made decisions which harmed the performance of the car because the tradeoff made sense to you. Perhaps you chose the heavier leather interior, or the much heavier Bose subwoofer. Maybe you chose a Carrera S instead of a GT3 because you wanted to be able to enter a parking garage or drive up your driveway without scraping. Or if you did go for the GT3, maybe you bought the front end lift kit.
If performance were the only meaningful metric we'd all be driving Ariel Atoms, right?
And if you chose a PDK in your car, that's fine. I totally understand why someone would prefer the PDK. It's an astounding piece of engineering that's indisputably faster and safer than a manual transmission. Good on you if you want one. Also at the track yesterday with me was a friend in a Boxster Spyder who chose the PDK for his car. He was having a lot of fun too.
I was out at the track all day yesterday (yay Texas weather) but wasn't able to carry my track wheels with me so I was running on my nearly-dead street tires. On aging street tires at Harris Hill Road my lap times were about four seconds off my usual times (5% slower, give or take). I didn't have any less fun. In fact, it was a total blast hooning around through the tight corners and making the best use of slip and oversteer as I could with the lack of grip. I usually come home from the track a little sore, but today it's my cheeks that ache from the grinning.
I was way slower, but arguably had more fun than usual. I don't care how you specced your Porsche -- you invariably made decisions which harmed the performance of the car because the tradeoff made sense to you. Perhaps you chose the heavier leather interior, or the much heavier Bose subwoofer. Maybe you chose a Carrera S instead of a GT3 because you wanted to be able to enter a parking garage or drive up your driveway without scraping. Or if you did go for the GT3, maybe you bought the front end lift kit.
If performance were the only meaningful metric we'd all be driving Ariel Atoms, right?
And if you chose a PDK in your car, that's fine. I totally understand why someone would prefer the PDK. It's an astounding piece of engineering that's indisputably faster and safer than a manual transmission. Good on you if you want one. Also at the track yesterday with me was a friend in a Boxster Spyder who chose the PDK for his car. He was having a lot of fun too.
11-21-2010, 04:01 PM
#84
Nordschleife Master
I was just suggesting that LlBr should own his opinion. Just as I'd hope that someone could honestly and directly explain that they find the PDK less involving. That's not an "MO" it's just an opinion. Saying "PDK is less involving" is not an attack on people who prefer the PDK.
People are allowed to disagree about this, you know? There's nothing wrong with either preference.
People are allowed to disagree about this, you know? There's nothing wrong with either preference.
11-21-2010, 04:02 PM
#85
Nordschleife Master
11-21-2010, 04:06 PM
#86
Nordschleife Master
PDK is less involving. There's way less to do - even in manual mode, the computer is still doing everything other than gear change timing. In auto, it controls everything about gear changes... or does it?
I guess the debate can be, now that you are not involved with that, can you be more involved with steering, braking, watching traffic, drinking coffee, texting, day-dreaming, putting on makeup, trying to out-think the PDK computers...or just wasting the time doing nothing?
or does it? I guess the debate can be, now that you are not involved with that, can you be more involved with steering, braking, watching traffic, drinking coffee, texting, day-dreaming, putting on makeup, trying to out-think the PDK computers...or just wasting the time doing nothing?
11-21-2010, 04:10 PM
#87
Nordschleife Master
I agree completely, and I think stevepow was very insightful when he observed:
For me, at least, this is exactly on target. I am scared that the manual transmission will eventually be eliminated by Porsche in the same way that we've seen with some other sports car marques. I don't want to lose the option, even recognizing that the PDK is indisputably superior and faster. If at times I sound shrill it's because of this fear. I don't want to lose the option.
I was out at the track all day yesterday (yay Texas weather) but wasn't able to carry my track wheels with me so I was running on my nearly-dead street tires. On aging street tires at Harris Hill Road my lap times were about four seconds off my usual times (5% slower, give or take). I didn't have any less fun. In fact, it was a total blast hooning around through the tight corners and making the best use of slip and oversteer as I could with the lack of grip. I usually come home from the track a little sore, but today it's my cheeks that ache from the grinning.
I was way slower, but arguably had more fun than usual. I don't care how you specced your Porsche -- you invariably made decisions which harmed the performance of the car because the tradeoff made sense to you. Perhaps you chose the heavier leather interior, or the much heavier Bose subwoofer. Maybe you chose a Carrera S instead of a GT3 because you wanted to be able to enter a parking garage or drive up your driveway without scraping. Or if you did go for the GT3, maybe you bought the front end lift kit.
If performance were the only meaningful metric we'd all be driving Ariel Atoms, right?
And if you chose a PDK in your car, that's fine. I totally understand why someone would prefer the PDK. It's an astounding piece of engineering that's indisputably faster and safer than a manual transmission. Good on you if you want one. Also at the track yesterday with me was a friend in a Boxster Spyder who chose the PDK for his car. He was having a lot of fun too.
For me, at least, this is exactly on target. I am scared that the manual transmission will eventually be eliminated by Porsche in the same way that we've seen with some other sports car marques. I don't want to lose the option, even recognizing that the PDK is indisputably superior and faster. If at times I sound shrill it's because of this fear. I don't want to lose the option.
I was out at the track all day yesterday (yay Texas weather) but wasn't able to carry my track wheels with me so I was running on my nearly-dead street tires. On aging street tires at Harris Hill Road my lap times were about four seconds off my usual times (5% slower, give or take). I didn't have any less fun. In fact, it was a total blast hooning around through the tight corners and making the best use of slip and oversteer as I could with the lack of grip. I usually come home from the track a little sore, but today it's my cheeks that ache from the grinning.
I was way slower, but arguably had more fun than usual. I don't care how you specced your Porsche -- you invariably made decisions which harmed the performance of the car because the tradeoff made sense to you. Perhaps you chose the heavier leather interior, or the much heavier Bose subwoofer. Maybe you chose a Carrera S instead of a GT3 because you wanted to be able to enter a parking garage or drive up your driveway without scraping. Or if you did go for the GT3, maybe you bought the front end lift kit.
If performance were the only meaningful metric we'd all be driving Ariel Atoms, right?
And if you chose a PDK in your car, that's fine. I totally understand why someone would prefer the PDK. It's an astounding piece of engineering that's indisputably faster and safer than a manual transmission. Good on you if you want one. Also at the track yesterday with me was a friend in a Boxster Spyder who chose the PDK for his car. He was having a lot of fun too.
11-21-2010, 04:13 PM
#88
Three Wheelin'
I find myself constantly thinking about how the car knows what to do when - and will it do the right thing - so much so that I may as well be shifting myself. It is exhausting. I run to the grocery store and I'm just worn out by the time I get back. 
11-21-2010, 04:18 PM
#89
Nordschleife Master
11-21-2010, 06:05 PM
#90
WTF? You calling me a liar about what my opinion is?
Go pick a fight in "Politics and Controversy" forum.
