here are the numbers:

Range 1 - 40239 ignitions 1027 hrs
Range 2 - 9733 ignitions 1026 hrs
Range 3 - 2348 ignitions 957 hrs
Range 4 - 453 ignitions 957 hrs
Range 5 - 5 ignitions 158 hrs
Range 6 - 0

Car is an 06 S with 42,000 miles and is CPO'd. I've spoken with the service dept and they have no issues with the Range 5 excursion, nor would PCNA.

I like the car, but can walk away too. I have no problem with a car driven hard. My main concern is if worst case, I have IMS bearing fail, will PCNA honor the CPO? Service dept says yes. Anyone disagree?

One last point...the tranny was replaced under PCNA good will.

 

I'd go find another car. There are probably hundreds on the market just like it but without Range 4-5 incidents or a replaced tranny. This all points to the car leading a seriously abused life. Just look at all of those over-revs (past redline) - enough that the tranny had to be replaced. I'm actually surprised Porsche did - they could easily have pointed to the abused engine and said "sorry". Of all the DME readings I've seen, I've never seen 40,000 range 1s (by a factor of 10).

 

Sorry I can't help you, but can you tell me what are the RPM's are associated with each range?

Alex

 

I'd not let the information you've put on the table particularly bother me if I liked the car and it has the equipment/color I was looking for. It is CPO...

If it's a common set-up like silver/grey-on-black with nothing particularly unique for options I might think about shopping prices a bit more. There never seems to be a shortage of babied Porsches around. It's a matter of fitting all the variables into your equation.

In my view Porsches are one of the most bullet-proof cars around. But everything is a crapshoot, including a pristine car.

 

I would make sure they document the existing overrevs ranges in the CPO document. So they (or someone else) don't come back and deny warranty a year later.

FM

 

Am I the only one worried about this abused engine and replaced tranny?

From one of the many posts on what the ranges mean. There are 3 ignitions per RPM (boxer 6 engine design). When you do the math, you see that 40k ignitions at 7300 RPM are quite a few.

Range 1-RPM Range 7,300-7,500
Range 2-RPM Range 7,500-7,700
Range 3-RPM Range 7,700-7,900
Range 4-RPM Range 7,900-8,400 (Some damage)
Range 5-RPM Range 8,400-9,500 (Damage)
Range 6-RPM Range 9,500-11,000 (Damage)

 

I drive my car fairly hard but don't have anything like THAT! The tranny must have been abused to be replaced this quickly. I wouldn't walk away from such a car--I would RUN!

 

Don't buy it
there are plenty of deals out there on cars with nothing in the range 6, range 5 (and maybe even range 4).
walk away

 

I say Walk as well..... I almost walked on my car which had 8 in range 3.
I also made sure that the DME was referenced in the CPO paperwork.

 

thanks all. I'm going to walk away. It's an aero kit S, which is pretty rare, but the DME confirms what I expected all along...it's been on the track way too much. 40,000 ignitions on level 1? who does that unless you decide you wait to hit the rev limiter before you decide to shift.

yes, these cars are bullet proof, but why knowingly buy something I want as a daily driver that has been abused? The CPO offers some degree of comfort, but would PCNA honor the warranty with such obvious abuse?

beside, it had speed yellow belts and instrument gauges....no thanks.

 

It takes more than just shifting at the redline to get those results. Full throttle at redline and pressing the clutch will let the engine spin up into ranges 1-3. To get to 4-6 I'd say you have to miss shifts, but in the case of this car it appears the misses weren't as dramatic as they could have been. 458 is only 151 RPM and 5 is not even 2 RPM. But all that time slamming up against the redline -- enough to require a new tranny...

 

thanks Ron. Turns out there is another 06 997 S aero in the area. Virtually the same car...just lower miles. PPI and DME reports coming soon.

Help me with this logic...while clearly there is huge upside with CPO, I'm liking a private party deal so long as PPI checks out. I've bought two p cars without warranty's and have been fine. At some point, I think you have to weigh all the data points and make an informed decision.

 

Exactly. The value of CPO is based on your tolerance of potential financial pain. For example, if two cars are exactly the same and one is CPO dealer and the other private without exntended warranty but $5k less expensive, then you have to figure if 2 years of coverage is worth the $5k. You might go through those two years without spending a dime of the dealer's money and wonder "why didn't I get that less expensive car..."

What I've done before is find a private party car and if the number was right work with that owner to pass the car through the selling dealership to get both the inspection / dme report AND CPO. You might pay $2500 more for the car that way (say $2k for CPO, $500k for processing), but then you get 2 years of warranty for not a lot of money.

 

If you do the math. 40,000 ignitions, 3 ignitions per rev, 7300 rev/min. You get 110 seconds. Thats almost 2 minutes straight of driving over redline, and that's just the Range 1 ignitions.

 

I've been told by at least one dealership that they no longer CPO non-dealer cars...if I'm understanding your idea correctly.