No HTwo O

Make sure you get a print-out off the DME (during the PPI) before you proceed. There should be NO ignitions in range 4-6. There may be some in range 1 and 2. Preferably none in range 3. Post results here. This is a must.

neanicu

Who's Tim and what can he do to help me with this issue?

neanicu

Hey guys! I called the Honda dealer and told them to give me my deposit back and told him about the PPI. He told me that not only they'll take the Porsche to any Porsche dealer I want for a PPI,but they'll even pay for it. Again,I don't know what to do,I'm stuck. ANY ADVICE?

echere88

if you do not want the car at this point, they have to give you deposit back. So it is your call. You will not loose youre deposit either way.

ivangene

you have nothing to loose and the experience might be worth spending some time... I say let the ball roll a little longer

winkingchef

Since they are paying, and can use it for other customers, I don't see the disadvantage of doing the PPI. I had a good experience with the San Diego Porsche dealer's PPI when I bought mine from a private party.

Since you're talking to them, I remain curious about what car the guy got when he traded in his 997 (could be a good story).

neanicu

Yeah,the car is at the Porsche dealer as we speak. They took it right away,as soon as I told them I want my 1 grand back. The Porsche service department told me that the Honda dealer that's selling me the car even requested an oil change for me,payed by them(450$ worth)! I'm just waiting to see what turns out and let you know. I requested a copy of the DME,as I've been advised here and the dealer told me he'll let me know what it says because it's in german. I did write a little bit about the guy's trade..I believe it is a Honda Pilot or Odyssey fully loaded,but that can't be more than 40 something K. I assume there might be a lien on the TITLE as well,but correct me if I'm wrong,I think the dealer has to satisfy that in order to register the car for me. I think it's the LAW. Isn't it?

Macster

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Too many issues.

You can't roll back the clock but you should have stood your ground and gotten your money back. That the seller was so anxious to get a PPI done suggests to me the car's got lots of profit in it, which does not necessarily make it a bad car, just an overpriced good car.

In the future do not put a deposit down until you know what you're buying and how much it will cost you.

Do not agree to any more PPIs or oil changes or other things. Get your money back, then hit "reset" and begin anew.

Get some knowledge on these cars by reading some buyers guides and trying to gain some feel for the market prices.

You may even get this car if when you look at again with more knowledge and experience you can't find any reason to reject it, and of course with your better grasp of the market at a price that makes sense for you. (It will make sense for the seller too or you won't buy the car. No car dealer will sell at car otherwise. IOWs, don't worry about the car dealer.)

Not to worry: I don't believe the car will will sell any time soon so you'll have another chance at it.

Unless the selling dealer loses his nerve and disposes of the car via a factory to dealer and dealer to dealer auction facility. Many non-Porsche car dealers arrange to get "halo" cars at auction (this car may have been traded in but not to this dealer).

Dealers like to use "halo" cars to brighten up the showroom and of course possibly land a sucker. When I first started looking at Porsches back in 02 I found not only a nice Boxster S for sale at a Nissan dealer but along side it a nice looking Mercedes SLK. Both were come by by the dealer buying these at auction.)

Most of the time when a non-Porsche dealer gets a Porsche via a trade in, he just disposes of it via an auction facility to make his money then and there. The dealer I'm sure allowed the buyer who traded in the Porsche much less than the dealer knew he could sell the car for at auction and by doing this the dealer locks in his profit on the trade side of the deal and doesn't have to bother trying to sell a car that chances are appeals to different type of customer, a customer that expects a different type of car buying experience vs. what the dealer is used to well dealing with.

Get your money back then walk (run) away and regroup.

Remember, there is always another car.

Sincerely,

Macster.

winkingchef

Don't let him mess around - make sure you get the exact readout numbers for the DME.
Also, ask specifically what they are doing to check for frame damage and signs of accidents.
If his answer is wishy-washy don't let him wriggle out of it (and get it in writing that there are no signs of accidents)

I'm a bit worried that the Honda dealer was so quick to send it to a Porsche dealer...hmm is it a friend of his? I'd be careful.

Here are some DME examples and links to previous threads:
BAD: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...-readings.html
Range 1 - ?
Range 2 - 4669
Range 3 - 1200
Range 4 - 52
Range 5 - 0
Range 6 - 0

GOOD: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...over-revs.html
(post #10)
Range 1 - 1 / 65.1h
Range 2 - 1 / 65.1h
Range 3 - None
Range 4 – None

Total hours: 433.00
~15K miles

winkingchef

I agree with this advice of caution.
It is easy to get really excited by a 911.
It's shiny, powerful and oh-so-pretty sitting over there giving you "where have you been all my life?" stares.

I know, I was like a little schoolgirl on the test drive.
However, I have a very grouchy, cheapskate, immigrant Italian father and I channeled him to keep me focused on what was important.

Considering the amount of money involved, the stakes are high - you need to be disciplined and cautious.

utkinpol

they are having you for breakfast. total shame.

look, you got to be strong there, one way or another, GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
they will feed you any crap they want including sudden loss of understanding of German, English, Spanish, etc, oil changes, car washers, independent contractors, custom detailer who was flown in by helicopter (here is your helicopter fee) - it was just a big mistake to give them ANY money, next to it is only to handle over keys from car you drove on to that dealer.

You have not authorized them for any work. Tell them you will file a claim to BBB and will get to them one way or another legally if they will not give you your money back and do not listen to anything they say - just do not let them get any advantage over you.

neanicu

Ok,I'll take your advice and get my money back. But I'm still trying to realize why is this car overpriced...I posted a link on the 911 subforum with this car on Ebay(I AM NOT BUYING IT THRU EBAY). I might be wrong and I'll admit it because you're only trying to help me,but from the other cars I've seen, this one at 56K is ok. It's a 2007 Carrera 4 with 13500 miles on it, 1YR left on warranty,almost fully loaded,no SPORT PKG. Maybe I'm wrong...but why are they ' having me for breakfast' if the car checks out after PPI?

No HTwo O

I'd make sure the Porsche dealership is not owned by the same person who owns the Honda dealership.

neanicu

Thanks guys. I'll just get my money back. F*** it... I'll buy a house with that money and get a Hyundai next to my VW GTI. With you guys,you can't buy anything... DME...PPI...IMS...RMS...BLABLABLA...you totally changed my buying mood.

DRJMK

keep looking! They saved you some heartache and $$$$!!!! There are plenty of excellent used Porsches out there. Keep looking and you'll find the right one. Trust me, alot of good and honest advice was given here. These guys are only looking out for YOUR best interests. Now, maybe you should start looking at the cars for sale here and on 6speed.com....