Anyone using cheap tires?
01-29-2010, 01:32 PM
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look for actual reviews on tirerack and other sites where people who drive similar cars leave their comments about tires you would like to choose.
01-29-2010, 08:38 PM
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Me too. So I never put different tires on front than the back. I admit we have PSM to bail us out of a stupid situation, but PSM only takes into account the stability of the car, not what an unexpected change in path and orientation can do. Or what might be the cost of an inability to achieve some maneuver you desperately needed.
Gary
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01-29-2010, 09:07 PM
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i saw your thread and thought to myself, i gotta tell this guy about the Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110's
Yes, buy them in confidence.
Well worth the money
i run 245-35 X 18 front and 295-30 X 18 rears and like them.
My primary use for them - AX in dry weather.
cheers
Craig
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01-29-2010, 09:19 PM
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one of our PCA members went out and thought he would save some money and bought some "Han%$%#$%#" tires (no name) despite what the tire shop told him. We were out on a run with him in his 996 Turbo. He was driving like a girl. Later he told me that there was something wrong with the car, and it felt very unsafe to go much about 60. He went back to the tire guy--and adopted their recommendation. The Han$#$#%$# tires went back and he was back to matching tires from/rear. With the AWD cars it is substantially a bigger deal.
P car people and their tire fetishes are most interesting.
I find the level of "toeing the Porsche company" line regarding the ONLY TIRES YOU CAN POSSIBLE SAFELY USE pretty stunning and amusing.
Not speaking to the OP specifically,so please don't take it personally
, but his post caused me to post.I have 4 sets of wheels tires
Bridgestone Re050s
Yoko Ad07
Nitto NT01
Hankook Ventus
they all work very well in dry situations, the Bridgestones and Hankooks keep me alive in the rain.
tire life = not interested.
noise = the yokos and Nittos are louder than i would put up with on a daily driver
grip = they all kick a$$
if i had to choose only one set out of the 4 for al around use, i'd go Bridgestone.
I've got to admit that i too am "tire opinionated" because i think there is pretty much ZERO chance i'd but Pirellis or Michelins for my application.
be safe
Craig
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01-29-2010, 11:05 PM
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Dan I really do think you need to upgrade your black/white view of Hankooks etc. Tire technology has come a long way, and these tires are scoring well. To each his own though.
I have the Bridgestones now and they are great, with one exception. They flat spot a lot.
I used to buy only Michelin's with the old "its a P-car you have to buy the best mentality" but I have to say the up/comers are changing my views. Competition is good!
Oh, and definitely don't ,mix brands and treads across axles. That's just dangerous
I have the Bridgestones now and they are great, with one exception. They flat spot a lot.
I used to buy only Michelin's with the old "its a P-car you have to buy the best mentality" but I have to say the up/comers are changing my views. Competition is good!
Oh, and definitely don't ,mix brands and treads across axles. That's just dangerous
01-30-2010, 11:02 AM
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My previous experience with Pirellis was similar to OP. They tended to flat spot very easily and hard to balance. However, my current 2008 997S came with PZero Rossa and I have had no issues with them. I was concerned about the tires when I saw that was what the car came with from factory. To be honest, I like them as well as I did the PS2 on my previous 997S. I don't track the car, so I am only talking about street use. That said, still not sure I would by them again ,other than one replacement cycle on the rear, because of my previous negative experience with Pirelli.
01-30-2010, 11:28 AM
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01-31-2010, 12:43 PM
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There is a lot of 'trash talking' about different manufacturers here. Funny stuff.
Hankook is an example which many seem to think isn't worthy of a Porsche. Despite the fact that they came as OEM on Cayennes.....
Hankook is an example which many seem to think isn't worthy of a Porsche. Despite the fact that they came as OEM on Cayennes.....
01-31-2010, 09:03 PM
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01-31-2010, 09:30 PM
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about 100.00 per tire
02-01-2010, 11:58 AM
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Like a lot of members here I've had many years of track experience, including doing a lot of what we call race craft instruction for our local Alfa Romeo club. I know they're not Porsches but being one marque you get to drive a lot of different examples of the same model car, some new, some old, some well maintained and some not so well looked after.
From that experience I'd say this. Individual cars vary in themselves. One example of a particular model is not always the same as the next - they can handle a bit different, ride a bit different and so on. Sometimes the differences are obvious at all speeds but usually you need to push a bit to find them.
Tires make a huge difference on new or older cars alike. Take a car that handles a particular way on one type of tyre, put it on something else regardless of whether that other tire is classified as a similar level and it will generally handle and behave noticeably differently. Maybe more understeer, more oversteer, more or less overall dry or wet grip. Something will change.
How you drive and look after those tyres also makes a big difference, as do minor changes to geometry. An aggressive driver - we all know them, fast in, loads of understeer, slow out - will pretty much always cook their front tyres within a few corners so they loose grip and the rubber just falls off. Once you've done it yourself a couple of times you know how it feels through the wheel.
Having said all that I have no fundamental objection to mixing tyres front to rear. On the same axle, never, and R-compound / slicks at one end with normal at the other same deal. Don't do it and won't drive someone else’s car set up like that. In fact our club fails a car at scrutineering if presented that way.
But good quality rubber at both ends of the different types is OK by me both for road and track. I just follow the basic rules and have done so for 35 years.
From that experience I'd say this. Individual cars vary in themselves. One example of a particular model is not always the same as the next - they can handle a bit different, ride a bit different and so on. Sometimes the differences are obvious at all speeds but usually you need to push a bit to find them.
Tires make a huge difference on new or older cars alike. Take a car that handles a particular way on one type of tyre, put it on something else regardless of whether that other tire is classified as a similar level and it will generally handle and behave noticeably differently. Maybe more understeer, more oversteer, more or less overall dry or wet grip. Something will change.
How you drive and look after those tyres also makes a big difference, as do minor changes to geometry. An aggressive driver - we all know them, fast in, loads of understeer, slow out - will pretty much always cook their front tyres within a few corners so they loose grip and the rubber just falls off. Once you've done it yourself a couple of times you know how it feels through the wheel.
Having said all that I have no fundamental objection to mixing tyres front to rear. On the same axle, never, and R-compound / slicks at one end with normal at the other same deal. Don't do it and won't drive someone else’s car set up like that. In fact our club fails a car at scrutineering if presented that way.
But good quality rubber at both ends of the different types is OK by me both for road and track. I just follow the basic rules and have done so for 35 years.
02-01-2010, 02:45 PM
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02-01-2010, 03:42 PM
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