BMW owner now considering a 997. Please help.
11-15-2009, 02:29 PM
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I drive 7.5 miles one way to work and my 997S is my Primary driver. I do take the dog hauler ('98 4Runner) on crappy weather days. Those that say this is a good daily driver car must be a helluva lot more tolerant than me or they drive a Tip transmission. The car is not a good DD IMO. It's noisey and a bit cramped for a DD.
I'm not saying the Porsche isn't a good car. In fact, it's phenominal....it's just not conducive for daily driving and in my case, I don't LOVE IT enough to drive the dog hauler as my primary car and just use the 997S for weekends, etc.
I'm also not saying that the E92 M3 is a sports car. It's exactly what folks here have described it as -- a GT car. Prior to the 997S, I had an E60 M5 which is what I knew in the back of my mind I was looking for. A couple of things that killed that for me ----- was too big, got 10 mpg
and the SMG sux. Now after having owned the 997S for 6 months, I'm convinced that what I'm looking for is a melding of the 997S and the E60M5 --- thus the E92 M3 with DCT.
I'm not saying the Porsche isn't a good car. In fact, it's phenominal....it's just not conducive for daily driving and in my case, I don't LOVE IT enough to drive the dog hauler as my primary car and just use the 997S for weekends, etc.
I'm also not saying that the E92 M3 is a sports car. It's exactly what folks here have described it as -- a GT car. Prior to the 997S, I had an E60 M5 which is what I knew in the back of my mind I was looking for. A couple of things that killed that for me ----- was too big, got 10 mpg
and the SMG sux. Now after having owned the 997S for 6 months, I'm convinced that what I'm looking for is a melding of the 997S and the E60M5 --- thus the E92 M3 with DCT.I had an E46 and it was a good car. 996 better. 997.2 in another dimension.
11-15-2009, 04:10 PM
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Whenever you say melding - be prepared for a compromise in both directions. The E92 will be heavy and not a sports car. Its a sport sedan. The 997 is not big. I think the 997.2 with PDK is way cush enough for me to use as a DD and I do. In fact I have another DD that I barely use. My 996 was noisy and harsh. The 997.2 in normal and auto is quiet and easy to have a cell phone conversation.
I had an E46 and it was a good car. 996 better. 997.2 in another dimension.
I had an E46 and it was a good car. 996 better. 997.2 in another dimension.
You are comparing a 997.2 to an E46? Of course it's in another dimension. A 997.2 is not in another dimension over an E92 M3. Is it better from a sportscar standpoint? Hell yes. Is the E92 M3 better from a GT car standpoint? Hell yes.
11-15-2009, 05:13 PM
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There must be a big difference then between the 997.1 and 997.2. My car is comfy and, while noisier than a BMW, I use the hands free bluetooth phone all the time and it actually works better and is easier for others to hear than our Lexus GX470 - just because it is setup better.
I'd call it completely fine as a daily driver car - honest.
M3s are cool cars though. I wouldn't call it a compromise - just different. There's plenty of compromises with the 911 too - space, storage, etc. There'd certainly be nothing bad about having an M3.
I'd call it completely fine as a daily driver car - honest.
M3s are cool cars though. I wouldn't call it a compromise - just different. There's plenty of compromises with the 911 too - space, storage, etc. There'd certainly be nothing bad about having an M3.
11-15-2009, 07:42 PM
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I drive my 997 everyday except for bad weather days. There has been about 3-4 bad weather days each of the four years I've owned it. My drive is about 10 miles r/t. Yes, it is a bit more noisy than a BMW, but I like the noise. I hardly ever listen to the radio or take calls in the Porsche.
11-15-2009, 08:55 PM
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There is a tremendous amount of noise inside these cars. If yours is daily driveable, congrats to you. I'd bet that the majority of HONEST 911 owners would disagree with you.
You are comparing a 997.2 to an E46? Of course it's in another dimension. A 997.2 is not in another dimension over an E92 M3. Is it better from a sportscar standpoint? Hell yes. Is the E92 M3 better from a GT car standpoint? Hell yes.
You are comparing a 997.2 to an E46? Of course it's in another dimension. A 997.2 is not in another dimension over an E92 M3. Is it better from a sportscar standpoint? Hell yes. Is the E92 M3 better from a GT car standpoint? Hell yes.
If you think a .1 is noisy then I'd get rid of it - diffrent strokes...
You clearly want a GT and not a sports car. Nothing wrong with that.
11-15-2009, 08:58 PM
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There must be a big difference then between the 997.1 and 997.2. My car is comfy and, while noisier than a BMW, I use the hands free bluetooth phone all the time and it actually works better and is easier for others to hear than our Lexus GX470 - just because it is setup better.
I'd call it completely fine as a daily driver car - honest.
M3s are cool cars though. I wouldn't call it a compromise - just different. There's plenty of compromises with the 911 too - space, storage, etc. There'd certainly be nothing bad about having an M3.
I'd call it completely fine as a daily driver car - honest.
M3s are cool cars though. I wouldn't call it a compromise - just different. There's plenty of compromises with the 911 too - space, storage, etc. There'd certainly be nothing bad about having an M3.
11-15-2009, 09:03 PM
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Maybe the 997.2 is more civilized than the .1 then - but the .2 is totally fine for me as a DD and I deal with LA traffic. I couldnt do it in the 996 40th. Too noisy and harsh. Although I did try. The .2 is actually too quiet for me sometimes - its almost the only criticism I have. I shoulda got PSE and probably will do something but it will have to be switchable so I can keep doing the DD thing. I love the fact I can..
If you think a .1 is noisy then I'd get rid of it - diffrent strokes...
You clearly want a GT and not a sports car. Nothing wrong with that.
If you think a .1 is noisy then I'd get rid of it - diffrent strokes...
You clearly want a GT and not a sports car. Nothing wrong with that.
Love the fact that you can DD yours. I'm sure the PDK makes it even more DD'able
. I hear it's phenominal
.At this juncture, I do think I want a GT.
Maybe I'm a young 46 - (LOL coz its not true). Take care.
11-15-2009, 09:26 PM
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11-15-2009, 09:56 PM
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Amerlemans said:
You said in the other thread that a Z06 would trash a 997.2 PDK. Now you are saying in this thread that you havent driven it. How could you be so knowledgeable about it on that thread then weigh in on this thread admitting you know nothing about it? Isnt that kind of moronic?
The .2 may indeed be quieter....or your gauge of "high level of noise" is different than mine. I did just turn 40 Love the fact that you can DD yours. I'm sure the PDK makes it even more DD'able. I hear it's phenominal.
11-16-2009, 11:00 AM
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Amerlemans said:
You said in the other thread that a Z06 would trash a 997.2 PDK. Now you are saying in this thread that you havent driven it. How could you be so knowledgeable about it on that thread then weigh in on this thread admitting you know nothing about it? Isnt that kind of moronic?
You said in the other thread that a Z06 would trash a 997.2 PDK. Now you are saying in this thread that you havent driven it. How could you be so knowledgeable about it on that thread then weigh in on this thread admitting you know nothing about it? Isnt that kind of moronic?
Whats talk about a Z06 vs a 997.2 doing in a BMW thread anyway?
11-16-2009, 11:27 AM
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Did I miss it or was anyone seriously positing that a Z06 and 997 are at all comparable in performance? That would be silly. Don't get me wrong, I love the 997, but it is no Z06 in terms of performance.
11-16-2009, 12:42 PM
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There's performance and performance. Numbers performance the Z06 trashes the 997.2S (500HP vs 385HP). But driver performance/feeling and driver confidence is a different question. The Z06 can be driven fast but it feels to me always on the ragged edge. The seat of the feel pants of a 997.2S gives me far more confidence to drive fast.
11-16-2009, 12:47 PM
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Amerlemans said:
You said in the other thread that a Z06 would trash a 997.2 PDK. Now you are saying in this thread that you havent driven it. How could you be so knowledgeable about it on that thread then weigh in on this thread admitting you know nothing about it? Isnt that kind of moronic?
You said in the other thread that a Z06 would trash a 997.2 PDK. Now you are saying in this thread that you havent driven it. How could you be so knowledgeable about it on that thread then weigh in on this thread admitting you know nothing about it? Isnt that kind of moronic?
Why do you feel the need to constantly put words in my mouth? You also said in the other thread that I said a Z06 would destroy a 997GT3. I challenge you to go find where I said that. Go ahead...I'm waiting.