Build Quality
10-14-2009, 08:25 PM
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Maybe I'm drinking too much Kool-Aid but I have been favorably impressed with the quality of all of my Porsches past and present. It's actually a big selling point to me.
Agree with Brendan, the Miele dishwasher is outstanding. Bought a GE fridge with the new house after owning a Sub Z....wish I had bought another Sub Z. Our Thermador stuff is great.
Agree with Brendan, the Miele dishwasher is outstanding. Bought a GE fridge with the new house after owning a Sub Z....wish I had bought another Sub Z. Our Thermador stuff is great.
10-14-2009, 08:45 PM
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Guess you haven't driven in a cadillac CTS with the leather option. Your head will spin! (Oh, and the new buicks are better still...)
Let's face it that porsche is going to have to do something major soon....when you sit in a nissan 370Z and see stitched alcantara all over the interior, and a price tag at 1/3 as much, you gotta wonder where all the money went in the 997.....
Let's face it that porsche is going to have to do something major soon....when you sit in a nissan 370Z and see stitched alcantara all over the interior, and a price tag at 1/3 as much, you gotta wonder where all the money went in the 997.....
I personally am not paying for the plushness of the interior. If so, I would drive an Audi. I think the 997 interior is actually very impressive for a sports car.
10-15-2009, 01:15 AM
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Good points and thank you all. I'm happy to hear that I might not expect more of the same with a 911. I believe it's been asked already but to date...Any issues with 997.1 vs. 997.2?
10-15-2009, 01:29 AM
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The Cayenne is made in Leipzig in the old eastern block. 911s are built in Stuttgart and there are probably still some very old and talented craftsman there. I bet there is not the genetic material in the Leipzig employees as the Stuttgart ones. The history at the main plant is probably too deep to ignore.
I had a 997.1 GT3 and now the 997.2, I like the improvements in the .2 but I miss my GT3
I had a 997.1 GT3 and now the 997.2, I like the improvements in the .2 but I miss my GT3
10-15-2009, 02:15 AM
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The 04 Cayennes had a long list of issues; we traded our 04 S for an 05 S, and release of the 05s was delayed I believe so PCNA could perform 15-20 service actions on the 05s before release. The 05 was bulletproof, virtually no problems at all.
10-15-2009, 06:15 PM
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One might consider this debate long the lines of the old LP vs CD debate. The CD is technically a better representation of the recording, but it lacks the character and feel that some like from the LP. Similarly, the Z is technically a better performing car but just isn't the same and isn't a car I'd consider buying, no matter what the price difference is between it and a 911 descendant.
10-15-2009, 06:31 PM
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Did they recently move production?... The Cayenne, Toureg and Q7 were built along-side one another at VW's Bratislava plant in Slovakia when the Q7 was introduced. Autoweek ran a pretty big story on this awhile back when they were considering moving production state-side to the new VW plant.
The cars are constructed in Slovakia and shipped to Leipzig for final construction, fit/finish and quality checks. Perhaps the Leipzigians are to blame
The cars are constructed in Slovakia and shipped to Leipzig for final construction, fit/finish and quality checks. Perhaps the Leipzigians are to blame
10-16-2009, 05:06 PM
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And I'd have to say those rankings are not worth the paper they are written on. Really.
Those JD Power surveys always come to the purchaser immediately after a purchase (based on my two surveys) before I've even been able to drive the car for a month or two to see IF there are any initial quality problems. The only thing those surveys may catch is obviously broken things that fall into the drivers lap on delivery. And if they were there, I'd never have have accepted the car for delivery.
Additionally, how do we know anything about the owners that filled out the surveys? Certainly, most folks feel great about the car they bought. Other folks wouldn't notice or care about a broken component until if literally falls off and causes the car to break down, so whether one is getting a truly statistically meaningful analysis of initial quality is questionable.
Those JD Power surveys always come to the purchaser immediately after a purchase (based on my two surveys) before I've even been able to drive the car for a month or two to see IF there are any initial quality problems. The only thing those surveys may catch is obviously broken things that fall into the drivers lap on delivery. And if they were there, I'd never have have accepted the car for delivery.
Additionally, how do we know anything about the owners that filled out the surveys? Certainly, most folks feel great about the car they bought. Other folks wouldn't notice or care about a broken component until if literally falls off and causes the car to break down, so whether one is getting a truly statistically meaningful analysis of initial quality is questionable.
10-16-2009, 05:12 PM
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That data isn't making me feel too good about our upcoming Mini delivery!
