Build Quality
10-14-2009, 12:45 PM
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It’s ashamed that the early gen Cayenne’s are not up to that of the later ones and the 911’s. Yes they are in Leipzig and not at the original Stuttgart location but that’s no excuse. Driving hundreds of Cayenne’s old and new it’s pretty obvious that the latest gen is much better in the quality control dept.
Funny thing quality control old vs. new, my parents still have the same dishwasher in their home from when the home was built in 1972 and I am on my second one since 2001. Sure theirs is slower and louder but it cleans just about as well and is still going strong 27 years later.
Funny thing quality control old vs. new, my parents still have the same dishwasher in their home from when the home was built in 1972 and I am on my second one since 2001. Sure theirs is slower and louder but it cleans just about as well and is still going strong 27 years later.
10-14-2009, 01:24 PM
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How many people today plan to keep a car for 20 years? How many people keep their cars after the warranty ends? Why should a company build in quality necessary for long term use for short term owners? This just reduces profit and is lost on the new car buyer. Remember the manufacturer's profit is only w/ the first sale on a new car. Mercedes figured out that most of their buyers only knew the star on the end of the hood was a symbol of wealth and success, and that was all they needed to sell. I'm sure they sell more S500s today than they did 280SEL 4.5s in the early '70s. On a larger scale, the decline in overall quality of manufactured goods is due to multiple factors such as expanding consumer base by targeting lower sales price, high volume production to maintain employment necessitating planned obsolescence, and government regulations that result in materials and methods that result in less durability while meeting environmental and safety standards. Welcome to the Future.
10-14-2009, 02:43 PM
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when they designed your product.
i just look at my GE monogram fridge in front of me and the stupid crooked door that only I notice. how the hell does that same company make aircraft engines that work to 5 nines? what in hell was i thinking when i didn't buy a sub zero? the old one lasted 23 years.
sorry to go OT...
i just look at my GE monogram fridge in front of me and the stupid crooked door that only I notice. how the hell does that same company make aircraft engines that work to 5 nines? what in hell was i thinking when i didn't buy a sub zero? the old one lasted 23 years.
sorry to go OT...
back to cars, the fit and finish of my 99 E55 is the best i've had over the long term, especially the interior, but my 997 isn't old enough to comment.
10-14-2009, 04:27 PM
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back to cars, the fit and finish of my 99 E55 is the best i've had over the long term, especially the interior, but my 997 isn't old enough to comment.[/QUOTE]
+1. My 2002 E55 fit and finish is almost as good as the day I bought it. In 48K miles in 8 years and it feels like it can go another 8 years. My 09'C4S overall finish is very good but I do expect more rattle than my 02'E55 as time progresses. However I am impressed how tight and quiet the interior is considering the suspension is fairly stiff.
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+1. My 2002 E55 fit and finish is almost as good as the day I bought it. In 48K miles in 8 years and it feels like it can go another 8 years. My 09'C4S overall finish is very good but I do expect more rattle than my 02'E55 as time progresses. However I am impressed how tight and quiet the interior is considering the suspension is fairly stiff.
John
10-14-2009, 05:22 PM
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My 2004 40th has been remarkably reliable. Its literally 6 years old and looks brand new. Very few issues. 1 repaired under warranty. I hope my 2009 is as good 
My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.
Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
10-14-2009, 05:31 PM
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My 2004 40th has been remarkably reliable. Its literally 6 years old and looks brand new. Very few issues. 1 repaired under warranty. I hope my 2009 is as good My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.
Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
10-14-2009, 05:45 PM
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Speaking of refrigerator, my wife's overpriced Subzero had faulty sensor 4 months into ownership. So when you pay more it doesn't means you get more. Knock on wood, the Thermador oven and Wolf range is fine after 2 years of ownership.
John
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10-14-2009, 06:08 PM
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My 2004 40th has been remarkably reliable. Its literally 6 years old and looks brand new. Very few issues. 1 repaired under warranty. I hope my 2009 is as good My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.
Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
My E46 M3 and my SL 500 seemed less well made than my porsche's - and more finicky.Oh and my GE Monogram Fridge had an issue in the first 2 years of operation and my GE monogram ovens. Not super impressed but they are fine looking.
10-14-2009, 06:51 PM
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It's no news that I going from an 06 Cayenne Turbo to a C4S/T4S...I'm moaning though, because in doing my routine oil level check, wiper fluid check etc...the blue wiper fluid cap just broke at the hinge...sorta the last straw in prompting me to post this. Now...how much did this vehicle cost?...why has it never happened on my past fords, chevys, volvos?...3 babied years and 78k babied miles...hvac fan working when it decides to, rubber paint peeling from surfaces not to mention the carbon gear shift option lever...alacantra headliner detaching in places & sagging...and a month ago, back of the passenger seat completely detached?!...I know it's not a 911 but still a Porsche and I'm abit dismayed at the lack of quality and am unsure as to what to expect in and 08 or 09 model. I think " Porsche " and wish this away as an anomaly. All began at 52K mi. Any insight, comments? Posting here because Cayenne is going and 911 coming. Cayenne build date is 08/05. 100% garaged and in Florida. My dealer has been great with other items within the warranty period...all small stuff. I don't want repair,... it's going,...just abit concerned as to whats coming. Whats the honest concensus on 977.1 & 977.2 quality. Thanks all.
10-14-2009, 07:58 PM
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Guess you haven't driven in a cadillac CTS with the leather option. Your head will spin! (Oh, and the new buicks are better still...)
Let's face it that porsche is going to have to do something major soon....when you sit in a nissan 370Z and see stitched alcantara all over the interior, and a price tag at 1/3 as much, you gotta wonder where all the money went in the 997.....
Let's face it that porsche is going to have to do something major soon....when you sit in a nissan 370Z and see stitched alcantara all over the interior, and a price tag at 1/3 as much, you gotta wonder where all the money went in the 997.....
10-14-2009, 08:04 PM
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i just rented a new cadillac. i was suprised how the dash sat 1/8 " below the front of the speaker and was flush at the windscreen. not impressed.
regarding appliances: miele.
regarding appliances: miele.