Is the 6 speed really as good as PDK
07-08-2009, 09:44 PM
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they simply made a better one than anyone!
oh, i know the car was otherwise quirky. but mainly in a good, fun way. if i had to really slim down financially, i'd be hard-pressed not to go get another. they handled extraordinarily well too...
07-09-2009, 11:05 PM
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Is the 6 speed really as good as PDK
drving the pdk, to me,is just as engaging, however, my left foot is bored! But, it is silky smooth, the PDK plus is awesome and I wouldn't change a thing! Basically, it comes down to each his/her own. After all is said and done, it is a Porsche, there is no substitute....!
07-17-2009, 10:34 AM
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Update:
After going to the dealer, and driving a new 997.2 and my own car, we have come to some conclusions.
1. The clutch effort on my car is much greater than the other two cars I have driven. My dealer told me that while the two are different, there isn’t anything they can do to change the feel of the clutch. It’s a much heavier feel on my clutch, than the other cars. I think this is one of the reasons my shifting is so clumsy. It’s such an effort to shift, that sometimes when not fully depressed I experience some resistance. Having driven stick for 15 years, I realize now it’s not me, it’s the car.
2. The transmission. TECH tells me it’s not broken. BUT… it’s considerably notchier than the other car’s I drove. The dealer and service have advised for me to give the car until 2500 miles and see if things smooth out. The told me to drive the hell out of it. To see if it loosens up.
This was on Tuesday. I have been driving the car very aggressively to see if over time this gearbox can break in. To be honest, I am not satisfied yet, and having driven the other two cars it leaves me with the impression that this particular build is just not right. But I am biding my time until I can re-evaluate in 1000 miles, to see if there are any changes. But I already realize such hard clutch action combined with this very notchy example of a stick shift is why I am not enjoying the drive as much as I should.
Is there anything else I can do besides be patient and hope things get better? I am not “***** footing” the car, and driving it like I mean it so if there is a chance for this to get better, I am doing the work. I also question how long this stick shift will last if it already makes loud booms and it’s “normal”. It will be hard to get Porsche to switch out a clutch if it’s functional. My girlfriend has an incredible hard time shifting the car too (she’s drive standard since she was 16 and is great at it). My other option is just to look for another car and trade out of lease. And get BURNED. But I really love this 911 and the whole experience… Advice would be appreciated. If you just think I am complaining, well hell yes I am, this is supposed to be a scalpel driving experience, and it’s not perfection for me yet!
After going to the dealer, and driving a new 997.2 and my own car, we have come to some conclusions.
1. The clutch effort on my car is much greater than the other two cars I have driven. My dealer told me that while the two are different, there isn’t anything they can do to change the feel of the clutch. It’s a much heavier feel on my clutch, than the other cars. I think this is one of the reasons my shifting is so clumsy. It’s such an effort to shift, that sometimes when not fully depressed I experience some resistance. Having driven stick for 15 years, I realize now it’s not me, it’s the car.
2. The transmission. TECH tells me it’s not broken. BUT… it’s considerably notchier than the other car’s I drove. The dealer and service have advised for me to give the car until 2500 miles and see if things smooth out. The told me to drive the hell out of it. To see if it loosens up.
This was on Tuesday. I have been driving the car very aggressively to see if over time this gearbox can break in. To be honest, I am not satisfied yet, and having driven the other two cars it leaves me with the impression that this particular build is just not right. But I am biding my time until I can re-evaluate in 1000 miles, to see if there are any changes. But I already realize such hard clutch action combined with this very notchy example of a stick shift is why I am not enjoying the drive as much as I should.
Is there anything else I can do besides be patient and hope things get better? I am not “***** footing” the car, and driving it like I mean it so if there is a chance for this to get better, I am doing the work. I also question how long this stick shift will last if it already makes loud booms and it’s “normal”. It will be hard to get Porsche to switch out a clutch if it’s functional. My girlfriend has an incredible hard time shifting the car too (she’s drive standard since she was 16 and is great at it). My other option is just to look for another car and trade out of lease. And get BURNED. But I really love this 911 and the whole experience… Advice would be appreciated. If you just think I am complaining, well hell yes I am, this is supposed to be a scalpel driving experience, and it’s not perfection for me yet!
07-17-2009, 12:28 PM
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07-17-2009, 12:34 PM
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I test drove a manual 997.2 (50 miles on the clock) recently and both the clutch and gear shifting were precise. The clutch was not heavy. You should have your car serviced. If this dealer does not do it, take it elsewhere.
07-17-2009, 02:38 PM
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07-17-2009, 03:29 PM
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07-17-2009, 06:54 PM
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Update:
After going to the dealer, and driving a new 997.2 and my own car, we have come to some conclusions.
1. The clutch effort on my car is much greater than the other two cars I have driven. My dealer told me that while the two are different, there isn’t anything they can do to change the feel of the clutch. It’s a much heavier feel on my clutch, than the other cars. I think this is one of the reasons my shifting is so clumsy. It’s such an effort to shift, that sometimes when not fully depressed I experience some resistance. Having driven stick for 15 years, I realize now it’s not me, it’s the car.
2. The transmission. TECH tells me it’s not broken. BUT… it’s considerably notchier than the other car’s I drove. The dealer and service have advised for me to give the car until 2500 miles and see if things smooth out. The told me to drive the hell out of it. To see if it loosens up.
This was on Tuesday. I have been driving the car very aggressively to see if over time this gearbox can break in. To be honest, I am not satisfied yet, and having driven the other two cars it leaves me with the impression that this particular build is just not right. But I am biding my time until I can re-evaluate in 1000 miles, to see if there are any changes. But I already realize such hard clutch action combined with this very notchy example of a stick shift is why I am not enjoying the drive as much as I should.
Is there anything else I can do besides be patient and hope things get better? I am not “***** footing” the car, and driving it like I mean it so if there is a chance for this to get better, I am doing the work. I also question how long this stick shift will last if it already makes loud booms and it’s “normal”. It will be hard to get Porsche to switch out a clutch if it’s functional. My girlfriend has an incredible hard time shifting the car too (she’s drive standard since she was 16 and is great at it). My other option is just to look for another car and trade out of lease. And get BURNED. But I really love this 911 and the whole experience… Advice would be appreciated. If you just think I am complaining, well hell yes I am, this is supposed to be a scalpel driving experience, and it’s not perfection for me yet!
After going to the dealer, and driving a new 997.2 and my own car, we have come to some conclusions.
1. The clutch effort on my car is much greater than the other two cars I have driven. My dealer told me that while the two are different, there isn’t anything they can do to change the feel of the clutch. It’s a much heavier feel on my clutch, than the other cars. I think this is one of the reasons my shifting is so clumsy. It’s such an effort to shift, that sometimes when not fully depressed I experience some resistance. Having driven stick for 15 years, I realize now it’s not me, it’s the car.
2. The transmission. TECH tells me it’s not broken. BUT… it’s considerably notchier than the other car’s I drove. The dealer and service have advised for me to give the car until 2500 miles and see if things smooth out. The told me to drive the hell out of it. To see if it loosens up.
This was on Tuesday. I have been driving the car very aggressively to see if over time this gearbox can break in. To be honest, I am not satisfied yet, and having driven the other two cars it leaves me with the impression that this particular build is just not right. But I am biding my time until I can re-evaluate in 1000 miles, to see if there are any changes. But I already realize such hard clutch action combined with this very notchy example of a stick shift is why I am not enjoying the drive as much as I should.
Is there anything else I can do besides be patient and hope things get better? I am not “***** footing” the car, and driving it like I mean it so if there is a chance for this to get better, I am doing the work. I also question how long this stick shift will last if it already makes loud booms and it’s “normal”. It will be hard to get Porsche to switch out a clutch if it’s functional. My girlfriend has an incredible hard time shifting the car too (she’s drive standard since she was 16 and is great at it). My other option is just to look for another car and trade out of lease. And get BURNED. But I really love this 911 and the whole experience… Advice would be appreciated. If you just think I am complaining, well hell yes I am, this is supposed to be a scalpel driving experience, and it’s not perfection for me yet!
Time to get some second service opinions I think.
07-20-2009, 12:49 AM
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there is no gearbox i've ever used that was as precise, notched but not too much, or simply easier to execute any up or down shift you desire than an S 2000.
they simply made a better one than anyone!
oh, i know the car was otherwise quirky. but mainly in a good, fun way. if i had to really slim down financially, i'd be hard-pressed not to go get another. they handled extraordinarily well too...
they simply made a better one than anyone!
oh, i know the car was otherwise quirky. but mainly in a good, fun way. if i had to really slim down financially, i'd be hard-pressed not to go get another. they handled extraordinarily well too...
That said, the point is moot for me. I've taken a giant swig of the PDK kool aid and I'm loving it.
07-20-2009, 01:30 AM
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I edited this because Ben HAS driven a PDK and has done a writeup
his opinions are his and thats cool.
PDK is a cool tranny by me.
his opinions are his and thats cool.
PDK is a cool tranny by me.
Last edited by OldGuy; 07-20-2009 at 03:24 PM. Reason: Wasnt thinking
