Anyone Regret Buying a PDK?
03-19-2009, 10:29 PM
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I agree with that, let my next car be totally user set. This is not beyond our technology. I want to set the diff, I want to set the gear ratios and I need to set the awd and awe sensors and I want to pogram what rpm the car shifts at and be able to select the program that I've saved and it will run when I feel like it.
Unfortunately I think Subaru will come out with something like I want before any German car manufacturer does.
Unfortunately I think Subaru will come out with something like I want before any German car manufacturer does.
I am not advocating that everyone needs or should want a PDK. I an just saying that the PDK works well for me more frequently than my six-speed manual on my 07 C2S did given my driving situations most frequently encountered.
03-20-2009, 12:20 AM
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I'm not getting PDK at all.
And I'm not getting a new car either.
And why would the performance of a PDK car be locked up, unavailable to anyone who shells out the $4k for it - as if that wasn't enough already for an automatic - unless they also shell out a little more for the stopwatch on the dash?
It sounds like Porsche has a huge warehouse full of these stopwatches that they've been trying to unload for the past 4 yrs and they haven't yet put a dent in the stockpile, so they're forcing everyone who buys a PDK - damnit - to also buy one of their fine watches, or else they'll make the car run like a POS.
And I'm not getting a new car either.
And why would the performance of a PDK car be locked up, unavailable to anyone who shells out the $4k for it - as if that wasn't enough already for an automatic - unless they also shell out a little more for the stopwatch on the dash?
It sounds like Porsche has a huge warehouse full of these stopwatches that they've been trying to unload for the past 4 yrs and they haven't yet put a dent in the stockpile, so they're forcing everyone who buys a PDK - damnit - to also buy one of their fine watches, or else they'll make the car run like a POS.
When you get around to considering your next car, by any measure of objectivity, you will thoroughly investigate the PDK option.
I love the PDK and I am a hard core manual guy. I even dislike the Ferrari F1 transmission.
The choice is not as "automatic" as it used to be.
03-20-2009, 12:26 AM
#79
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I'm not getting PDK at all.
And I'm not getting a new car either.
And why would the performance of a PDK car be locked up, unavailable to anyone who shells out the $4k for it - as if that wasn't enough already for an automatic - unless they also shell out a little more for the stopwatch on the dash?
It sounds like Porsche has a huge warehouse full of these stopwatches that they've been trying to unload for the past 4 yrs and they haven't yet put a dent in the stockpile, so they're forcing everyone who buys a PDK - damnit - to also buy one of their fine watches, or else they'll make the car run like a POS.
And I'm not getting a new car either.
And why would the performance of a PDK car be locked up, unavailable to anyone who shells out the $4k for it - as if that wasn't enough already for an automatic - unless they also shell out a little more for the stopwatch on the dash?
It sounds like Porsche has a huge warehouse full of these stopwatches that they've been trying to unload for the past 4 yrs and they haven't yet put a dent in the stockpile, so they're forcing everyone who buys a PDK - damnit - to also buy one of their fine watches, or else they'll make the car run like a POS.
On the other hand I do not go around and talk bad about the 6speed manual. There are customers that will buy both and they have very good reasons for there selection of transmission.
03-20-2009, 12:33 AM
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03-20-2009, 01:07 AM
#82
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What part you calling BS?
Sounds like you're doing a drive-by post here and not bothering to read my previous posts in this thread. Makes you look worse than your avatar. 
I said I took one for a test drive, considered it for my next 911, and confirmed that I would never get it on my next 911, as I only drive my Porsche on weekends just for the fun of driving. With three cars to drive, I average about 1500 miles per year on my 911. And when I drive my 911 so infrequently I look forward to shifting that crisp-shifting short shifter. I don't see that ever changing.
I said I took one for a test drive, considered it for my next 911, and confirmed that I would never get it on my next 911, as I only drive my Porsche on weekends just for the fun of driving. With three cars to drive, I average about 1500 miles per year on my 911. And when I drive my 911 so infrequently I look forward to shifting that crisp-shifting short shifter. I don't see that ever changing.
03-20-2009, 01:10 AM
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03-20-2009, 10:35 AM
#85
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I agree with that, let my next car be totally user set. This is not beyond our technology. I want to set the diff, I want to set the gear ratios and I need to set the awd and awe sensors and I want to pogram what rpm the car shifts at and be able to select the program that I've saved and it will run when I feel like it.
Unfortunately I think Subaru will come out with something like I want before any German car manufacturer does.
Unfortunately I think Subaru will come out with something like I want before any German car manufacturer does.
It takes serious set up engineering to get all these systems to work togeher to make a good setup.
Most people woud just make a dog's breakfast of mismatched tweaks.
03-20-2009, 10:45 AM
#86
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While having complete control of every parameter at your fingertips sounds good, the problem is the way that these things work together.
It takes serious set up engineering to get all these systems to work togeher to make a good setup.
Most people woud just make a dog's breakfast of mismatched tweaks.
It takes serious set up engineering to get all these systems to work togeher to make a good setup.
Most people woud just make a dog's breakfast of mismatched tweaks.
It's like the sport button, except you have many saved setups to select. Default setups or user saved ones.
03-20-2009, 03:47 PM
#87
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I think a number of these posts have summed up the issue we are wrestling with....PDK seems to be the best "technical" solution and is the easiest for city driving, but is it as much fun? I guess we need to define what "fun" really means and how we (I mean my wife
) want to enjoy the car. If speed and absolute performance are "fun," then the PDK wins. If feeling more "connected with the car" is more important, maybe the 6 speed is the answer. In any event, it does appear either way we go will be a good decision.
I appreciate all the comments/insight--but I am not sure it has made our decision any easier. Thankfully, if choose to go with the PDK, the 993 6 speed will still be in the garage
) want to enjoy the car. If speed and absolute performance are "fun," then the PDK wins. If feeling more "connected with the car" is more important, maybe the 6 speed is the answer. In any event, it does appear either way we go will be a good decision.I appreciate all the comments/insight--but I am not sure it has made our decision any easier. Thankfully, if choose to go with the PDK, the 993 6 speed will still be in the garage
my wife had a Cayman S tip, now she has a Carrera S PDK.
PDK, definately not as "fun" or involving, but much better choice for daily drudgery commute and is pretty amazing when you are hammering
BUT
PDK kinda sucks just as you are noodling and are slowing down to a stop as tranny shifts to 1st.
Often times there are banging, clunking noises / vibrations going on that should not be.
Local dealer says there is no software rev as of yet to correct this and i'm pretty sure it IS SW, not HW.
cheers
Craig
03-20-2009, 03:52 PM
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03-20-2009, 03:55 PM
#89
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i don't see what all the fuss is over the PDK wheel "buttons".
Their use is very instinctive / natural to me.
push to a "higher" gear.
pull to a "lower" gear.
and they are easy to reach, comfortable to use.
one drawback = they do rotate with the wheel amking shifts during turns challenging, but then you always have the console stick too.
Who says everyone has to follow the italian "standard" for paddle lever methodology?
who wants to remember which paddle to pull to go up or down ?
cheers
Craig
03-21-2009, 11:14 PM
#90
I drove a Maserati a few yrs ago which had the Ferrari paddle shifter. Was very intuitive and not complicated to drive.
I drove the PDK today for the first time. In auto it was smooth and surprisingly good.
In manual I had to think every time "push or pull" whether I was usingthe stick or the rather silly buttons.
Personally I would prefer paddles. But I could live with the buttons ifit was pull for "up" and push for "down" just like one would expect in a sequential shifter. At least to me, on the track as you are braking hard with the momentum going forwards, if you have to be pulling or pushing things, its better to "push" and vice versa.
In manual mode it seemed to have a delay in shifting gears and was odd. Almost as if I had to predict where it would actually shift. Maybe this is lack of familiarity, or maybe I needed sport plus on, I dont know. OTOH inmanual, if I lifted as I changed gears if felt more normal.
I drove the PDK today for the first time. In auto it was smooth and surprisingly good.
In manual I had to think every time "push or pull" whether I was usingthe stick or the rather silly buttons.
Personally I would prefer paddles. But I could live with the buttons ifit was pull for "up" and push for "down" just like one would expect in a sequential shifter. At least to me, on the track as you are braking hard with the momentum going forwards, if you have to be pulling or pushing things, its better to "push" and vice versa.
In manual mode it seemed to have a delay in shifting gears and was odd. Almost as if I had to predict where it would actually shift. Maybe this is lack of familiarity, or maybe I needed sport plus on, I dont know. OTOH inmanual, if I lifted as I changed gears if felt more normal.
man
i don't see what all the fuss is over the PDK wheel "buttons".
Their use is very instinctive / natural to me.
push to a "higher" gear.
pull to a "lower" gear.
and they are easy to reach, comfortable to use.
one drawback = they do rotate with the wheel amking shifts during turns challenging, but then you always have the console stick too.
Who says everyone has to follow the italian "standard" for paddle lever methodology?
who wants to remember which paddle to pull to go up or down ?
cheers
Craig
i don't see what all the fuss is over the PDK wheel "buttons".
Their use is very instinctive / natural to me.
push to a "higher" gear.
pull to a "lower" gear.
and they are easy to reach, comfortable to use.
one drawback = they do rotate with the wheel amking shifts during turns challenging, but then you always have the console stick too.
Who says everyone has to follow the italian "standard" for paddle lever methodology?
who wants to remember which paddle to pull to go up or down ?
cheers
Craig