Since the 997.2 is taking more of a tiptronic approach...
12-26-2008, 06:31 PM
#61
Race Director
I'm glad to see Porsche offer a choice, and the new tranny will likely bring new customers to the brand. I drove a PDK car and I was very impressed with the it, though I think it needs up and down paddles. I do prefer a gearshift in a 911, but I also (in the minority) prefer gearshift in a 430.
That said, I will never buy a sports car with an automatic/clutchless manual (including the F430).
Imagine how awesome cars like the Mercedes Benz SL65 would be with a manual transmission.
12-26-2008, 08:13 PM
#63
Race Director
You know, that electric starter on these new cars takes all the fun out of being a car guy. I'd rather hand crank start my car plus I am not so sure of these new fangled options and how reliable a electric starter will be. Next thing you know they will add more gears, power windows and a radio.
12-26-2008, 10:33 PM
#65
Race Director
You know, that electric starter on these new cars takes all the fun out of being a car guy. I'd rather hand crank start my car plus I am not so sure of these new fangled options and how reliable a electric starter will be. Next thing you know they will add more gears, power windows and a radio.
The act of starting a vehicle has an absolutely minor impact on the experience.
12-26-2008, 11:26 PM
#66
Race Director
Ok there "Quadcammer", how's this then....
You know I hear there is a option for this new fangled thing called fuel injection. I will stick with my carburetor because there is no way that will ever work for a real car. Also I hear they are doing independent suspension on the rear axle. To many moving parts back there for any reliability. Also I heard those foreign cars have more than 1 cam so that has to lead to a bunch of problems down the road.
Get it now?!?!?!
You know I hear there is a option for this new fangled thing called fuel injection. I will stick with my carburetor because there is no way that will ever work for a real car. Also I hear they are doing independent suspension on the rear axle. To many moving parts back there for any reliability. Also I heard those foreign cars have more than 1 cam so that has to lead to a bunch of problems down the road.
Get it now?!?!?!
12-26-2008, 11:40 PM
#67
Drifting
The manual 6 speed is absolutely available.
The problem is dealers are ordering PDK cars, and Porsche North America is pushing PDK cars, I think. The PDK, as others have said, is NOT a Tiptronic, but it is still an automatic transmission. But if you want a 6 speed, you can certainly get one. Just don't expect to be able to walk onto a US Porsche dealer lot and drive off with one necessarily... marketing just hates enthusiasts. I know, sounds moronic when talking about Porsches, but marketing, especially automobile marketing, has always hosed the enthusiast... be it with VW (where we cannot get the 5 door Golf with 6spd and 4motion, lets say) to most other Euro lines... they try to hard to meet what the fat middle of the customer curve wants.
The problem is dealers are ordering PDK cars, and Porsche North America is pushing PDK cars, I think. The PDK, as others have said, is NOT a Tiptronic, but it is still an automatic transmission. But if you want a 6 speed, you can certainly get one. Just don't expect to be able to walk onto a US Porsche dealer lot and drive off with one necessarily... marketing just hates enthusiasts. I know, sounds moronic when talking about Porsches, but marketing, especially automobile marketing, has always hosed the enthusiast... be it with VW (where we cannot get the 5 door Golf with 6spd and 4motion, lets say) to most other Euro lines... they try to hard to meet what the fat middle of the customer curve wants.
12-26-2008, 11:49 PM
#68
Race Director
Ok there "Quadcammer", how's this then....
You know I hear there is a option for this new fangled thing called fuel injection. I will stick with my carburetor because there is no way that will ever work for a real car. Also I hear they are doing independent suspension on the rear axle. To many moving parts back there for any reliability. Also I heard those foreign cars have more than 1 cam so that has to lead to a bunch of problems down the road.
Get it now?!?!?!
You know I hear there is a option for this new fangled thing called fuel injection. I will stick with my carburetor because there is no way that will ever work for a real car. Also I hear they are doing independent suspension on the rear axle. To many moving parts back there for any reliability. Also I heard those foreign cars have more than 1 cam so that has to lead to a bunch of problems down the road.
Get it now?!?!?!
Does having fuel injection make you less involved in driving than having a carb?
Does having a solid axle make you more involved than having an independent rear?
Does having more cams give you less involvement?
your argument may have been better had you gone towards traction and stability control.
12-27-2008, 12:19 AM
#69
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quite frankly, no, because your argument is rubbish.
Does having fuel injection make you less involved in driving than having a carb?
Does having a solid axle make you more involved than having an independent rear?
Does having more cams give you less involvement?
your argument may have been better had you gone towards traction and stability control.
Does having fuel injection make you less involved in driving than having a carb?
Does having a solid axle make you more involved than having an independent rear?
Does having more cams give you less involvement?
your argument may have been better had you gone towards traction and stability control.
12-27-2008, 10:31 AM
#70
Race Director
Quadcammer, OK OK OK so you do not get it...I am being sarcastic with my last 2 post's. I am not saying PDK or 6 speed manual is better.
If I need to further explain my sarcasm let me know! :-)
If I need to further explain my sarcasm let me know! :-)
12-27-2008, 10:46 AM
#71
Nordschleife Master
With modern transmissions evolving, I think it is more accurate to say that any given transmission is either a 2- or 3-pedal solution.
12-27-2008, 11:25 AM
#72
Race Director
Mdrum, I see. I guess my sarcasm meter was broken and I was looking to argue
12-27-2008, 12:10 PM
#75
Race Director
thats a tough one.
While the safety aspects of it are undeniable, it has been criticized as being another way Porsche has pussified the 911 into being more of a grand tourer.
That said, at 7/10s, PSM is likely to be pretty un-invasive. At 10/10s (which should really only be done on the track), Id suggest turning it off (not sure if it actually turns completely off).
That said, at 8/10s, and 9/10s, it may detract from the involvement, but it also keeps you from ending up in the brush.
Since it can be turned off, Id say its like having a manual transmission, with a clutch pedal and a standard shifter, but also paddle shifters. You flip a switch and you get clutchless shifting, flip it back and you're using the clutch. Now THAT would be sweet.
While the safety aspects of it are undeniable, it has been criticized as being another way Porsche has pussified the 911 into being more of a grand tourer.
That said, at 7/10s, PSM is likely to be pretty un-invasive. At 10/10s (which should really only be done on the track), Id suggest turning it off (not sure if it actually turns completely off).
That said, at 8/10s, and 9/10s, it may detract from the involvement, but it also keeps you from ending up in the brush.
Since it can be turned off, Id say its like having a manual transmission, with a clutch pedal and a standard shifter, but also paddle shifters. You flip a switch and you get clutchless shifting, flip it back and you're using the clutch. Now THAT would be sweet.