Since the 997.2 is taking more of a tiptronic approach...

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12-24-2008, 05:44 PM

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Would you consider psm a "computer taking away from my enjoyment"? How about any other dozen of systems working in the 997?

true, but taking away from manual crosses the line.. there is a breaking point here

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12-24-2008, 05:46 PM

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Hard to know where to start with that post! How was the 996 a disaster for Porsche exactly?

lights, lighting, lit.. there are others who will be p ssed by these comments, but its reality that no one will speak of.

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12-24-2008, 05:49 PM

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Actually it is debated ad nauseam. Controversial to some eyes? I guess. Disastrous for Porsche? Ummm no.

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12-24-2008, 05:56 PM

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Actually it is debated ad nauseam. Controversial to some eyes? I guess. Disastrous for Porsche? Ummm no.

Agree the 996 was not the best looking porsche to date. But no way was it a "disaster".

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12-24-2008, 05:56 PM

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Actually it is debated ad nauseam. Controversial to some eyes? I guess. Disastrous for Porsche? Ummm no.

if it wasnt disastrous for porsche, then why doesnt the 997 feature front lights other than the circular ones they currently have? i thought it was evolution with the 911? not a step back to the 993 model

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12-24-2008, 06:05 PM

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obviously this post is going no where.. so i am shutting it down.

but i still wonder.. where have all the 911 enthusiasts gone?

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12-24-2008, 06:23 PM

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We all went to the track

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12-24-2008, 06:27 PM

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yes i know there is still a manual, but we are 911 guys, not ferrari guys. ferraris date worse than bad fruit. there is no classic look to them like there is on a 930, 964 etc. why follow ferrari in the wrong direction? doesnt make much sense

I don't know ... some of them look pretty good.

I wouldn't mind a 275 GTB/4 ... a 365 GTS/4 (Daytona) or a 288 GTO. I would never give up a Porsche for a Ferrari though.

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12-24-2008, 06:31 PM

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will this car even be respected? I have been to 2 dealers and all the 997.2s are all tiptronic. i have yet to see one in manual.

are these days done for the 911 enthusiast?

I had a 06 and 07 Tip Carrera S....( I do not have a left leg to push a clutch with) so I had no choice. I tracked the heck out of both cars very sucessfully.

However I now have a 09 with PDK...it is NOT called Tiptronic anylonger and you absolutly can not compare the 2 transmissions. PDK is light years ahead of the old Tip and even much better than the Ferrari F1.

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12-24-2008, 06:32 PM

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We all went to the track

+1 ~~~~!!!!!!

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12-24-2008, 07:11 PM

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To paraphrase a famous ex-senator the guys at Porsche "...don't even take a dump without a plan" Every decision has been well researched and vetted at the very highest levels. If they want PDK it is because a significant group of their customers want it as well. They are not getting ready to take over VW for nothing. They will always provide for their enthusiast base but anything that benefits the long term interest of Porsche is fine with me. You can't live in the past.

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12-24-2008, 08:25 PM

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... i am a hands on guy and anytime a computer is taking away from my enjoyment i feel i am not in control. there is nothing like the feeling of dropping into 4th at 85 miles an hour while in sport - ...

You can still do that with PDK, in fact you can do it better. In lazy D, in M and in Sport or Sport Plus... take your pick. And I bet the effect will be superior to a manual shift no matter how good a manual shifter you are.

This discussion - as many already stated - makes no sense. If you like a manual transmission, get one - it is available at no extra cost.