cgfen

i've read some of the replies to your email where people have "dissed" you a tad,
but
too some degree i agree with you.

first the brakes in our C2S.
they are not as progressive as my 96 C4S or my 06 outback for that matter.
there seems to be a lot of stopping power at the top of the pedal which makes gentle stops a bit challenging to modulate.

i thinks it's just a matter of recalibrating my brain / foot connection.
it's not bad, just different.

PDK
Every time we drive the car i tell my wife that we should check with P to see if the've updated the shift control software. Shifting form gear to gear up or down is no issue, but the shift down into 1st when moving is clumsy / noisy / jerky.

when rolling away from a stop gently, there seems to be quite a bit of clutch slip, much more so than when i or you drive a stick.

I know it's new technology and we were willing to risk being an early adopter.
I'm sure a software revision or two will make things golden.

cheers

Craig

cgfen

who's the chubby girl on the right?

<g>

Craig

Macster

frequent flyer miles and fly somewhere where you can test cars with both types of tranmissions before you make up your mind.

Other owners input is good, but nothing like getting some first hand experience.

Sincerely,

Macster.

lgascoig

Craig you rule... You're describing exactly what I'm experiencing with the car.

Note to the forum: I'm not slagging the car or anything, I love my car. It's a great car, especially if you drive it fast on winding roads. The OP asked and I gave my opinion. Fast performance car not the best at everything, news at 11.

RED HORSE

I have 3,500 miles on my S Cab with PDK, and to answer the question about comparison to a Tip, which I have also had, I feel the PDK is just as smooth as the Tip but with the advantage of shifting much faster. When I had less than 200 miles on the car I was caught in a traffic jam and spent about 7 miles of creeping along. The PDK did fine, just as good as my Tip would have done. Hope this helps.

cgfen

glad to help out
i prefer to deal with reality versus hyperbole,

"PDK trumps Tiptronic in every single way...done deal enough said."


yes, this IS a smiley face.

cheers

Craig

ADias

I have to conclude that something is off with your car (and lgascoig's car). I do not have a PDK but have driven 5 different PDK cars and my experience with it is the same as RED HORSE's and mdrums', i.e., very smooth. Unless you drive in traffic in Sport Plus mode (you need Sport Chrono), where you will find a little engaging jolt. In traffic SC should be off or at most in Sport mode, not Sport Plus.

cgfen

thanks for the input
you may be right.
there certainly could be something wrong with HW or SW.
We'll continue to experiment and also see if a new SW revision is out.
Will keep the group in the loop.

cheers

Craig

zedcat

Well now I can answer my own question. Salesman at Dealer here in KL who l have been working with for several weeks on a possible Cayman purchase received a new 997 C2 with PDK. He offerred me a test drive as I am considering ordering an 09 Cayman with PDK. It wasn't a long drive but got to try varying conditions and think I got a good feel for it. A few thoughts- probably not new to anyone here... Shifts really fast. on the expressway found myself going up and down the gears just to feel how fast it changes- way cool. Didn't like the downshifting on the steering wheel buttons- felt awkward pushing from the back of the wheel. Probably would get used to it over time. Only real concern is that creeping along in traffic in 1st gear, which is inevitable in KL, there seemed be shuddering (clutch slip?) starting off. I think Tip is smoother in that regard. Any other conditions there's no comparison. Other thought is that after driving the base 997, not sure the S is worth the extra cost. IMHO of course

casaforte9

Hey Zedcat,
10 K is lot of money for the S if all you care is the motor but 911 S also gives ya PASM and 19 "wheels. When i drove them back to back The S motor was much torquey , more visceral sounding( base is very quiet under 5 K) , Also PASm Normal mode provided a smoother ride over base and 19" widers rubber gave better grip around corners.

I always bought 18" wheels and rubber including on my previous cayman S but the 19" rubber on 911 S provided extra traction and the look

The 3.8 motor impressed me a lot and got me excited much more than base but many are happy with base 911

tooloud10

Three pages of arguing the merits of various automatic transmission options on a P-car? What is this forum coming to?

6-speed FTW.

PMD 993

Have you driven a PDK equipped car? I was skeptical too but that was laid to rest after I took one for a test drive this past weekend. I was thoroughly impressed.

ADias

To add to the discussion... some say the steering of PDK cars is numb, less communicative, than the same 997.2 with a standard manual. What do you think?

zedcat

Yeah, I bought a 997.1 S over base and felt at the time the cost diff was justified. Just less convnced now for the 997.2. Would have to drive them back to back which I didn't do the other day.

mstams

Hate to bring this back up, but I wanted to check with other PDK owners (now that more cars are out there) to see if anyone else is experiencing the jerky shifting in and out of 1st as mentioned in this thread. I just passed 500 miles now, but I definitely can relate to the above comments. Other gear changes are silky smooth, and this may be normal for this transmission. Just wanted to compare notes...