2009 997S handling
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Two possible causes:
1) Some people have reported that brand new tires can exhibit "tire squirm" and that handling improves as tires wear down a bit. Your new 997S makes a lot more power than your old 964 which could make this effect more noticeable.
2) Or you may have an alignment problem.
1) Some people have reported that brand new tires can exhibit "tire squirm" and that handling improves as tires wear down a bit. Your new 997S makes a lot more power than your old 964 which could make this effect more noticeable.
2) Or you may have an alignment problem.
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Would love to know how you disabled PSM permanently.
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Check the 'dum dum' things first. Tire pressures. Alignments ect.
The new 997mkII puts power down very quickly and I've noticed she likes to kick out a little bit more then the mkI 997.
But for it to be compared as less tight then a GTi??? I think the 997mkII is vastly improved for the super car it really is.
I just don't understand- could you elaborate more please?
The new 997mkII puts power down very quickly and I've noticed she likes to kick out a little bit more then the mkI 997.
But for it to be compared as less tight then a GTi??? I think the 997mkII is vastly improved for the super car it really is.
I just don't understand- could you elaborate more please?
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In a rwd rear engined 385 hp car, applying power while in a turn is going to get the *** out. The C4 would move the power to the front when this happens.
The steering should feel light but still should feel tight and twitchy like it will obey your every input.
The steering should feel light but still should feel tight and twitchy like it will obey your every input.
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I'll ask my shop guys how they did it, but I never worry about warranty issues, my car was taken apart, parts removed, parts remade, parts added. I knew this was going to be my last 911 and I wanted it done exactly to my specs.
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Guys,
I'm new to the forum and could do with some advice. I recently took delivery of a beautiful new 997S and have accumulated about 1000 miles in it in OR and CA. It is my first P car since owning a 92 Carrera 4 and, aside from the obvious improvement in creature comforts and power, I have a nagging concern.
It is feeling like it 'moves around' a bit in curves, particularly under power, in a way I would not expect for a P car. My recollection of my 964 was that the steering was tight, heavy and very linear. This new one does not even feel as tight as the VW GTI I have been running around in for the last couple of years.
Have they softened the handling and loosened the steering up in an attempt to widen the appeal, does mine have something wrong with it, or am I simply imagining it? Tire pressures look fine and I'm sure the standard rubber is a well specified match to the car. Ideas? First hand experiences with a 2009 997S from any of you that support or refute this? Thanks.
I'm new to the forum and could do with some advice. I recently took delivery of a beautiful new 997S and have accumulated about 1000 miles in it in OR and CA. It is my first P car since owning a 92 Carrera 4 and, aside from the obvious improvement in creature comforts and power, I have a nagging concern.
It is feeling like it 'moves around' a bit in curves, particularly under power, in a way I would not expect for a P car. My recollection of my 964 was that the steering was tight, heavy and very linear. This new one does not even feel as tight as the VW GTI I have been running around in for the last couple of years.
Have they softened the handling and loosened the steering up in an attempt to widen the appeal, does mine have something wrong with it, or am I simply imagining it? Tire pressures look fine and I'm sure the standard rubber is a well specified match to the car. Ideas? First hand experiences with a 2009 997S from any of you that support or refute this? Thanks.
Tire pressures can make a big difference. I start my day with 33/39 and with alignment specs within the factory recommendations. Of course, you can expect some squirm out of brand new tires,--but you should already know that.
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I still don;t understand how they did it. The electronics that control traction, PSM and ABS are so deep in the system that you would need a pretty serious programmer with Porsche + Bosch software knowledge to do that.
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In a rwd rear engined 385 hp car, applying power while in a turn is going to get the *** out.
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Applying to little or too much will cause the car to rotate in one way or the other. (Throttle steering)
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"Apply power" in a turn means you do not unload the rear axle. It does not mean you floor it... which can very well put you sideways. Finesse is the name of the game. The throttle is an analog rheostat not a binary lever.
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"Apply power" in a turn means you do not unload the rear axle. It does not mean you fllor it... which can very well put you sideways.
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+1; Or as Ross Bentley would say, you "squeeze" (apply under control and progressively) throttle or braking inputs
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My shop has the progamer, and they had to alter many of the cars systems. I guess I was not real clear my car spent over 4 months apart we had parts remade using lighter materials and other parts removed and new one fabricated. If you want to do something bad enough and cost is no option, you can do an aweful lot.