Is OCBEN banned?
12-31-2007, 02:41 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by Soulteacher
Again, getting the facts straight would be a first step into the right direction; otherwise it just ignites more flames. THAT specific quote is a quote by DerivativesGuy (yes, the main critic of OCBen in this thread) and can hardly be used to make that point in this context (when the quote was made, DG was relatively new to the forum and since then his perception has changed).
Again, getting the facts straight would be a first step into the right direction; otherwise it just ignites more flames. THAT specific quote is a quote by DerivativesGuy (yes, the main critic of OCBen in this thread) and can hardly be used to make that point in this context (when the quote was made, DG was relatively new to the forum and since then his perception has changed).
You could also say that getting your perception straight is another step in the right direction. Sounds like you think I failed to mention the author of that quote by accident when in fact I omitted it because he obviously has had a change of heart since he wrote it. That doesn't make the quote itself less valid though since it shows how a great deal of people feel about bullies. Some may change their mind with time but a lot of them don't and find comfort in knowing they have the loudest most obnoxious voice on their side.
So what you're saying is that a quote can only be used to demonstrate the mindset of the author himself.....?
Oh, and I still take issue with his initial assessment by the way:
"Sometimes leaders need to be stern and often they come across as "know it alls" but often times it is because they do know more than most of us."
Unless you're submissive by nature, do you really need to get acquainted to recognize that arrogance doesn't necessarily represent leadership and/or superior knowledge?
12-31-2007, 03:12 AM
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Hi,
I am not defending Ben. I thought some of his wit was very
much fun to read. I will miss his desire to tell others that he is right
and that others are in another world. Humor often takes different sides
to make a point.
Paul
I am not defending Ben. I thought some of his wit was very
much fun to read. I will miss his desire to tell others that he is right
and that others are in another world. Humor often takes different sides
to make a point.
Paul
12-31-2007, 12:35 PM
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For example, even though both you and DG joined last April and even though OCBen has had relatively few posts in the 997 forum since then (most of which seem really neutral), you and/or DG (apparently) consider him a bully/ obnoxious/ arrogant/ banworthy/ etc. (please correct me if I'm wrong). Based on other comments we've seen in these two threads, some Rennlisters have radically opposite perceptions, some have more differentiated opinions, some have no opinions, and so on. So who is right and who is wrong? You are correct in that it's all about perception...
That's why (and I have said it twice and will say it once more) I am not defending Ben per se (I know that's impossible because of perceptive biases and preexisting attitudes); rather, I tried to encourage everyone to stick to the facts and not to throw numbers around that simply were false. We all know that we are going to interpret the information differently, but at least let the information be factually correct.
The whole discussion may be irrelevant anyway since over the past 6-9 months Ben has really become an OT guy and as pl said, stuff from the OT should stay over there; the OT is a whole different world by itself with different rules and tougher players. Obviously, we don't make love with a virgin like we make love with an experienced bondage partner... Let's just remind ourselves (including you and me and DG and Ben) that we are the virgins over here...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
12-31-2007, 01:48 PM
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Internet forums with their secondhand anonymity are a fertile ground for provocation and misunderstanding.
There's a big difference between, "You're wrong, you idiot!" and, "I disagree with you, here's why."
As longtime posters "get to know" each other through frequent exchanges, liberties get taken...just as friends can "kid" each other in ways that might appear impolite to outsiders.
While it's difficult to remember, it bears repeating - confrontation, aggression, and rudeness, have no more place here than they would at a social gathering like a party.
But, if someone is "pushing your buttons," maybe the perceived poking finger in your face is actually a nudge in your ribs.
So, again - just like at a party, if someone is bugging you, walk away (put 'em on your Ignore List) and talk to someone else.
I still hope OCBen comes back.
There's a big difference between, "You're wrong, you idiot!" and, "I disagree with you, here's why."
As longtime posters "get to know" each other through frequent exchanges, liberties get taken...just as friends can "kid" each other in ways that might appear impolite to outsiders.
While it's difficult to remember, it bears repeating - confrontation, aggression, and rudeness, have no more place here than they would at a social gathering like a party.
But, if someone is "pushing your buttons," maybe the perceived poking finger in your face is actually a nudge in your ribs.
So, again - just like at a party, if someone is bugging you, walk away (put 'em on your Ignore List) and talk to someone else.
I still hope OCBen comes back.
01-02-2008, 07:30 PM
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Funny post.
I had lunch with your husband about a month ago when I was in California. We met at a restaurant near your house.
It was a very pleasant afternoon. I found Ben to be very nice and enjoyed our conversation.
Sorry I kept him away from you those few hours..,...Perhaps next time you can join us!!
I had lunch with your husband about a month ago when I was in California. We met at a restaurant near your house.
It was a very pleasant afternoon. I found Ben to be very nice and enjoyed our conversation.
Sorry I kept him away from you those few hours..,...Perhaps next time you can join us!!
01-14-2008, 07:22 PM
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01-14-2008, 09:13 PM
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im new here. ive been reading a lot of posts, but never posted/ asked questions b/c of some of his responses. sometimes people come on the boards to find info and get questions answered rather than to constantly deal w/ the sarcastic replies for one's own amusement...
i think its fine if you know the author and joke around, but its like when a car salesman starts joking like he's my f..king best friend...
i think its fine if you know the author and joke around, but its like when a car salesman starts joking like he's my f..king best friend...
01-14-2008, 09:17 PM
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01-14-2008, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by akim47
im new here. ive been reading a lot of posts, but never posted/ asked questions b/c of some of his responses.
Originally Posted by mglobe
Sadly, it's true that Ben often went after noobs (...) and no doubt scared a number of them off.
This topic has been discussed inside-out in two different threads in the past four weeks. I don't know why some people can't let go. In either case, don't worry, Ben will be back. And as it has been for over six months now, you'll be able to find him in the OT, rather than the 997 forum.