PSE is a WASTE of $$
10-30-2007, 03:26 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
One can argue that spending $80K+ for a car is a waste of money.
No muffler by it self is going to increase performance. PSE's and aftermarket mufflers are bought solely for the aural satisfaction.
The intrinsic value of a PSE is: a) it's an OEM part, b) it emits a pleasing sound, c) the chromed offset tips are very nice and finally d) it can be controlled simply by throwing a switch.
To each it's own to coin a phase.
No muffler by it self is going to increase performance. PSE's and aftermarket mufflers are bought solely for the aural satisfaction.
The intrinsic value of a PSE is: a) it's an OEM part, b) it emits a pleasing sound, c) the chromed offset tips are very nice and finally d) it can be controlled simply by throwing a switch.
To each it's own to coin a phase.
10-30-2007, 03:39 PM
#18
Pro
Even if it was a triple exhaust system I bet if you dyno it you'll find the gain to be nil. In fact you might even lose some low end torque.
I didn't get my PSE for the performance increase. 355 horses to me is just fine. I love the sound of the PSE and the fact that in situations I can tone it down to avoid unnecessary attention and neighbor 'stink eye'.
I didn't get my PSE for the performance increase. 355 horses to me is just fine. I love the sound of the PSE and the fact that in situations I can tone it down to avoid unnecessary attention and neighbor 'stink eye'.
Last edited by AP997S; 10-30-2007 at 04:16 PM.
10-30-2007, 04:16 PM
#19
Three Wheelin'
Even if it was a triple exhaust system I bet if you dyno it you'll find the gain to nil. In fact you might even lose some low end torque.
I didn't get my PSE for the performance increase. 355 horses to me is just fine. I love the sound of the PSE and the fact that in situations I can tone it down to avoid unnecessary attention and neighbor 'stink eye'.
I didn't get my PSE for the performance increase. 355 horses to me is just fine. I love the sound of the PSE and the fact that in situations I can tone it down to avoid unnecessary attention and neighbor 'stink eye'.
12-14-2008, 10:19 AM
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Interesting that only one response in this thread mentions the possible effect on the engine a modification like this might have.
Changing the backpressure of your system (which is what changing the 'sound' of your exhaust does) will effect the engine's performance, maybe a little, maybe more, but you can't just pop on a new exhaust and expect everything else to be the same.
Ask the kids who throw a 'motor boat exhaust can' on their Hondas and three months later have toasted valves, or worse.
Changing the backpressure of your system (which is what changing the 'sound' of your exhaust does) will effect the engine's performance, maybe a little, maybe more, but you can't just pop on a new exhaust and expect everything else to be the same.
Ask the kids who throw a 'motor boat exhaust can' on their Hondas and three months later have toasted valves, or worse.
01-27-2009, 12:59 AM
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01-27-2009, 01:52 AM
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One can argue that spending $80K+ for a car is a waste of money.
No muffler by it self is going to increase performance. PSE's and aftermarket mufflers are bought solely for the aural satisfaction.
The intrinsic value of a PSE is: a) it's an OEM part, b) it emits a pleasing sound, c) the chromed offset tips are very nice and finally d) it can be controlled simply by throwing a switch.
To each it's own to coin a phase.
No muffler by it self is going to increase performance. PSE's and aftermarket mufflers are bought solely for the aural satisfaction.
The intrinsic value of a PSE is: a) it's an OEM part, b) it emits a pleasing sound, c) the chromed offset tips are very nice and finally d) it can be controlled simply by throwing a switch.
To each it's own to coin a phase.
11-18-2009, 07:13 PM
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Sorry to resurrect a 10 month old thread, but I was looking for some specific information which I couldn't find from searching.
Has anyone from CA performed this mod on their 997.1 stock exhaust? If so, any issues with emissions testing? This looks like an inexpensive way for me to get the sound I'm looking for, but I need to make sure I won't have any problems with smog checks because of this mod. TIA!
Has anyone from CA performed this mod on their 997.1 stock exhaust? If so, any issues with emissions testing? This looks like an inexpensive way for me to get the sound I'm looking for, but I need to make sure I won't have any problems with smog checks because of this mod. TIA!
11-18-2009, 07:37 PM
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Saying PSE a waste of money by doing this hacking is like comparing apple to orange.
It is a loud exhaust, but it is not PSE.
No matter how we bapass it, it still doesn't have the meachanism on the PSE that can be switched On and Off from the driver seat, needless to say the extra value of 4yr/50K warranty if it came with the car.
With best regards,
It is a loud exhaust, but it is not PSE.
No matter how we bapass it, it still doesn't have the meachanism on the PSE that can be switched On and Off from the driver seat, needless to say the extra value of 4yr/50K warranty if it came with the car.
With best regards,
OP - I'm glad it works for you but some of us like that our PSE came from the factory. I think a lot of us wouldn't buy a used 997 with a "hacked" setup because we have no idea what it really did to the car's performance, whether it was a good job, etc. Also, the on/off ability is perfect for not only those quiet moments (4am departure from my house) but when I'm simply not in the mood to hear the exhaust over a quiet volume setting on the Bose.
11-18-2009, 08:18 PM
#28
Three Wheelin'
+1, well said.
OP - I'm glad it works for you but some of us like that our PSE came from the factory. I think a lot of us wouldn't buy a used 997 with a "hacked" setup because we have no idea what it really did to the car's performance, whether it was a good job, etc. Also, the on/off ability is perfect for not only those quiet moments (4am departure from my house) but when I'm simply not in the mood to hear the exhaust over a quiet volume setting on the Bose.
OP - I'm glad it works for you but some of us like that our PSE came from the factory. I think a lot of us wouldn't buy a used 997 with a "hacked" setup because we have no idea what it really did to the car's performance, whether it was a good job, etc. Also, the on/off ability is perfect for not only those quiet moments (4am departure from my house) but when I'm simply not in the mood to hear the exhaust over a quiet volume setting on the Bose.
11-18-2009, 09:41 PM
#30
Race Car
I like it when someone posts their 'hack' job on their 911, that way I know never to buy that car.
I got the PSE, first thing I did was unplug it, nice and loud all the time and sounds good.
I got the PSE, first thing I did was unplug it, nice and loud all the time and sounds good.