Fabspeed bypass vs PSE on all the time
05-17-2007, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cvazquez
IMO... 
-PSE is a REAL dual quad exhaust system.
-PSE sounds is unique... ALL Porsche.
-PSE does not void warranty.
-PSE equals Porsche value (why compromise the integrity of your Porsche?)
-PSE on/off button or run open ALL the time.
-PSE is a REAL dual quad exhaust system.
-PSE sounds is unique... ALL Porsche.
-PSE does not void warranty.
-PSE equals Porsche value (why compromise the integrity of your Porsche?)
-PSE on/off button or run open ALL the time.
05-18-2007, 03:21 AM
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Here is a short clip of before-and-after PSE sounds (factory setup, not modified to always on).
Before and After PSE
The PSE sounds even more dramatic, when modified to always on, in person. It has this unique 'rumbling/barking/roaring' sound that might very well be the future signature exhaust note of Porsche. Like the Aston and Ferrari, they have their signature exhaust note that people can tell without looking.
I once read in the Panorama magazine that Porsche has a whole department and a crew of engineers just focus on acoustic. Like how the gear whines, engine sounds, exhaust notes, etc. I am sure they spent quite some time engineering the unique PSE sound-charactertics on all Porsche models.
With best regards,
Before and After PSE
The PSE sounds even more dramatic, when modified to always on, in person. It has this unique 'rumbling/barking/roaring' sound that might very well be the future signature exhaust note of Porsche. Like the Aston and Ferrari, they have their signature exhaust note that people can tell without looking.
I once read in the Panorama magazine that Porsche has a whole department and a crew of engineers just focus on acoustic. Like how the gear whines, engine sounds, exhaust notes, etc. I am sure they spent quite some time engineering the unique PSE sound-charactertics on all Porsche models.
With best regards,
05-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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Are the Fabspeed muffler bypass pipes really loud? I would assume so. I am considering exhaust but think $2000+ is ridiculous. $300 is almost free Porsche wise and if its bearable I might give them a shot.
05-18-2007, 10:00 AM
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Don't consider bypass if you plan to drive the car in town, in your neighborhood, near the police station, by any state or local police cruisers, etc. Do consider bypass if you have a track-dedicated car that you trailer to various places. But realize that some tracks have sound limits - I think 5 or 6 cars were pulled off the track at the last PCA DE at Lime Rock.
05-18-2007, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RonCT
Don't consider bypass if you plan to drive the car in town, in your neighborhood, near the police station, by any state or local police cruisers, etc. Do consider bypass if you have a track-dedicated car that you trailer to various places. But realize that some tracks have sound limits - I think 5 or 6 cars were pulled off the track at the last PCA DE at Lime Rock.
How much is it to purchase PSE? Any used ones ever pop up?
05-18-2007, 10:46 AM
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Good luck finding a used PSE system...
Sunset has the PSE cans for $693.00 each
and you'll need the REAL dully exhaust tips at $170.53 each
The total system without the on/off switch is $1,727.06
I hope this helps.
Sunset has the PSE cans for $693.00 each
and you'll need the REAL dully exhaust tips at $170.53 each
The total system without the on/off switch is $1,727.06
I hope this helps.
05-18-2007, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by F1 Kevin
Are the Fabspeed muffler bypass pipes really loud? I would assume so. I am considering exhaust but think $2000+ is ridiculous. $300 is almost free Porsche wise and if its bearable I might give them a shot.
05-18-2007, 11:45 AM
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I've seen several used PSE around - can't remember if it was here in the classifieds, at 6speed, or eBay (or a combination). Some were "new, never installed" (reconsidered), and others were used (had OEM, switched to PSE, changed mind...). Keep your eyes open - if you are patient, one should turn up.
05-18-2007, 01:43 PM
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what does not make a bit of sense is adding another 20 lbs to the *** of a car that is already *** heavy.
porsche obviously sweated the details to come up with a 3,075 lb car
I like vrooooom vroooom as much as the next guy, but a lighter weight fabspped makes all the sense in the world.
put an MP3 of the pse in your cd player if the sound is so enticing.
me, I'd rather ditch weight than add it, any day
porsche obviously sweated the details to come up with a 3,075 lb car
I like vrooooom vroooom as much as the next guy, but a lighter weight fabspped makes all the sense in the world.
put an MP3 of the pse in your cd player if the sound is so enticing.
me, I'd rather ditch weight than add it, any day
05-18-2007, 02:48 PM
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Not this debate again... SUGAR!
No basic aftermarket bolt on such as an exhaust is going to give you any sort of power advantage measured by the butt dyno meter over a stock unit and this is true for naturally aspirated engines.
It is for sound and looks and that goes along way in my book to enhancing the driving/ownership experience, The PSE unit sounds great and it is a true Porsche part that will not void your warranty (PERIOD). IMO the PSE is insanely good and it is the only way to GO, GO! hahaha never mind the extra HP and more weight!
You say the PSE weights more, and then I submit most here will never get the advantage on the street regardless. My justification for the PSE system is NOT power gains or reducing weight… IT IS TRUE PORSCHE SOUND WITH A TRUE PORSCHE PART!
The best part is that it gets much better over time. Sorry but MY butt dyno is not that sensitive and I am not going to go out there and say that I can feel other exhaust system provide HP, which is ridiculous. I would like to see an INDEPENDENT dyno expert take before and after dyno runs before I believe any gains are possible. PSE is like the MOEN commercial, buy it for looks (sound), and buy it for life (warranty)! You feel good about your purchase and so DO I. Don’t bet against that 997 with the PSE because you feel you have more power according to an eye chart and a butt meter.
Porsche themselves claim zero HP gain. If they could get extra HP gains, I am sure they would and it would cost an extra grand or two above the current price of the PSE.
PSE is, IMHO, one of the top 3 best options you can get. It is one of those things on a car that once you have it, you know you will never ever be able to live without it again.
The new plenum issue debate is over the horizon, stay tune!
No basic aftermarket bolt on such as an exhaust is going to give you any sort of power advantage measured by the butt dyno meter over a stock unit and this is true for naturally aspirated engines.
It is for sound and looks and that goes along way in my book to enhancing the driving/ownership experience, The PSE unit sounds great and it is a true Porsche part that will not void your warranty (PERIOD). IMO the PSE is insanely good and it is the only way to GO, GO! hahaha never mind the extra HP and more weight!
You say the PSE weights more, and then I submit most here will never get the advantage on the street regardless. My justification for the PSE system is NOT power gains or reducing weight… IT IS TRUE PORSCHE SOUND WITH A TRUE PORSCHE PART!
The best part is that it gets much better over time. Sorry but MY butt dyno is not that sensitive and I am not going to go out there and say that I can feel other exhaust system provide HP, which is ridiculous. I would like to see an INDEPENDENT dyno expert take before and after dyno runs before I believe any gains are possible. PSE is like the MOEN commercial, buy it for looks (sound), and buy it for life (warranty)! You feel good about your purchase and so DO I. Don’t bet against that 997 with the PSE because you feel you have more power according to an eye chart and a butt meter.
Porsche themselves claim zero HP gain. If they could get extra HP gains, I am sure they would and it would cost an extra grand or two above the current price of the PSE.
PSE is, IMHO, one of the top 3 best options you can get. It is one of those things on a car that once you have it, you know you will never ever be able to live without it again.
The new plenum issue debate is over the horizon, stay tune!
