What has the best potential as a track car? The GT3 RS or a Cayman w/45k in tuning?
10-20-2006, 01:25 PM
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Especially in this case; the GT3's race-derived dry-sump motor vs the 987/997 disposable lump.
10-20-2006, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by allegretto
A trick Cayman will be near worthless when you trade it in.
An RS will likelly be worth "all the money" when you turn it.
An RS will likelly be worth "all the money" when you turn it.
the question was potential as a track car - not return on investment.
Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Regarding availability of the GT3 and GT3 RS...I'd wager that at least half of those on the 'waiting lists' are speculators, and that when the cars aren't trading hands for substantially over MSRP they will fall by the way-side, leaving cars on dealers lots and open order slots for those who want them. If I'm wrong, there are always the 2008 models...
btw the gt3rs is coming out as a 2008
Originally Posted by RonCT
Jeff,
I know they are sold out - I was wondering what type of buyer... The hard-core track guys I know were at first interested in the RS, but once the final specifications came out, they said "why bother with a watered down RSA?" The curiosity I have is will it be non-track guys, collectors, etc.? Will the RS ever see the track, what percentage?
I know they are sold out - I was wondering what type of buyer... The hard-core track guys I know were at first interested in the RS, but once the final specifications came out, they said "why bother with a watered down RSA?" The curiosity I have is will it be non-track guys, collectors, etc.? Will the RS ever see the track, what percentage?
but if it stays limited and resale stays strong then the amount of track time . . .
10-20-2006, 03:06 PM
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From a poster "Nordschleife" on the GT3 forum, he said the following:
"In case anybody missed it, the most fun car I've driven on the roads recently was a Ruf Cayman with a supercharger, faster than a GT3 and better chassis, a real sports car."
Interesting.
"In case anybody missed it, the most fun car I've driven on the roads recently was a Ruf Cayman with a supercharger, faster than a GT3 and better chassis, a real sports car."
Interesting.
10-20-2006, 05:01 PM
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A brand new GT3 RS will run approx. $130K. for that kind of money you can get a used GT3 Cup car. Now thats the ultimate track car if that is what you are looking for??
10-20-2006, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by quantimouse
From a poster "Nordschleife" on the GT3 forum, he said the following:
"In case anybody missed it, the most fun car I've driven on the roads recently was a Ruf Cayman with a supercharger, faster than a GT3 and better chassis, a real sports car."
Interesting.
"In case anybody missed it, the most fun car I've driven on the roads recently was a Ruf Cayman with a supercharger, faster than a GT3 and better chassis, a real sports car."
Interesting.
MHC2S cupcar is nice for the track but not street legal if qmouse is looking for a dual purpose or doesnt have a trailer.
10-21-2006, 12:25 AM
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Porsche Excellence magazine has about 5 pages on Techart's Cayman GT Sport makeover. They eschewed supercharger and just rebuilt the engine into a 3.8 for 385bhp, and 200lbs lighter than a 997 C2S.. Interesting...
10-21-2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Especially in this case; the GT3's race-derived dry-sump motor vs the 987/997 disposable lump.
10-21-2006, 11:24 PM
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x-51 is still an integrated dry sump...has some baffling internally that supposedly helps the starvation problems...we'll see, but I think the oil starvation thing may be a little bit of an urban myth anyways...We see many,many 996's and Boxsters at the tracks here and I personally have not heard of one instance of a cooked motor...Early in their introduction some did have cylinder liner problems however.
10-21-2006, 11:35 PM
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jim, X51 is NOT true dry sump, it does't have external oil tank like GT3.
however, i SERIOULSY doubt you will get starvation if you are on DOT-R's. if you are on slicks... well then you really should have a cup car of some sort ;-)
i am well aware of just about every cayman tuner out there doing large motor. but until they put 100k of hard hard miles on it, i just dont trust any of them to part with my money.
however, i SERIOULSY doubt you will get starvation if you are on DOT-R's. if you are on slicks... well then you really should have a cup car of some sort ;-)
i am well aware of just about every cayman tuner out there doing large motor. but until they put 100k of hard hard miles on it, i just dont trust any of them to part with my money.
10-22-2006, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 03-turbo911
clubrcr, I think it's just a different oil pan.
10-22-2006, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by fafnir
btw, the 9ff 4.1L 430hp motor for the cayman runs $42k
moton clubsport's coilovers run $4k
a clutch-type lsd runs another $3k
and then supercharging all that runs another 10-25k, depending on compression ratio
new custom rims in 19x9 F and 19x11R costs 8k
and pilot sport cup tires run another 2? (not sure on this one)
with the 4.1L 9ff dry sump, you'll destroy all gt3's, X50's, X51's, and turbo's you'll find by weight/HP and with the coilovers you should be able to match both the gt3's in handling (with tires though, wider rims/tires will help)
and get TRG to make you some custom swaybars for another 3k
if you're still feeling insecure, go waste a good 10k and buy a VIN allocation from 9ff to improve resale
and the cayman does not come with a sunroof
you should look into forced fed lotus exige's for $90K if all you're going to do is to track your car
their >450hp exige should destroy any and all GT3's and RS's, takes a GT2 to match or come close to that one
and go widebody from that eval-something company to dump 365 rear tires and rims on the exige and 305 fronts for another 9k and it should grip and do lateral g's like no one else
and if that weren't bad enough, do an engine swap from forced fed from something not meant to be there like an ls7 or something else repulsive and yeah, it'll be unbeatable
yeah, maybe with 6 months of custom fabwork and another 100k
and be prepared to run race fuel only
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moton clubsport's coilovers run $4k
a clutch-type lsd runs another $3k
and then supercharging all that runs another 10-25k, depending on compression ratio
new custom rims in 19x9 F and 19x11R costs 8k
and pilot sport cup tires run another 2? (not sure on this one)
with the 4.1L 9ff dry sump, you'll destroy all gt3's, X50's, X51's, and turbo's you'll find by weight/HP and with the coilovers you should be able to match both the gt3's in handling (with tires though, wider rims/tires will help)
and get TRG to make you some custom swaybars for another 3k
if you're still feeling insecure, go waste a good 10k and buy a VIN allocation from 9ff to improve resale
and the cayman does not come with a sunroof
you should look into forced fed lotus exige's for $90K if all you're going to do is to track your car
their >450hp exige should destroy any and all GT3's and RS's, takes a GT2 to match or come close to that one
and go widebody from that eval-something company to dump 365 rear tires and rims on the exige and 305 fronts for another 9k and it should grip and do lateral g's like no one else
and if that weren't bad enough, do an engine swap from forced fed from something not meant to be there like an ls7 or something else repulsive and yeah, it'll be unbeatable
yeah, maybe with 6 months of custom fabwork and another 100k
and be prepared to run race fuel only
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Not making sense to me.
Anyway, I guess the answer is yes, the Cayman S would be better on the track with the right mods, question is can they come in at the same price as the GT3 RS.
Sunroof? Why do I need that?
Lotus? Not a very comfortable street car. Trying to imagine something more street friendly and pretty.
10-22-2006, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bgiere
Early in their introduction some did have cylinder liner problems however.
I did hear about a couple of regular 996s in the beginning with motor issues, but nothing major. I would be shocked if they had major problems since the 996 used 964 case.
Originally Posted by DJ 996
Nope, it's an oil pan with aluminum baffles, a dual stage scavenge pump and additional pickup tube. Actually very close to a dry sump...less the sump of course.