Carrera 4S?
08-24-2006, 09:36 AM
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I'd suggest you drive them both. I like both cars and they behave differently on the road when pushing them. In the corners, the C2 will allow you to move the tail out as you accelerate, which by the way is a blast. The C4 sits tight and transfers torque to the front to help pull the car out of the turn. A friend of mine has a C4 and wanted to know why I bought the C2 when he knew I could have had the 4. I said, "get in". We took the car for a ride around town and a I demonstrated what the car could do in corners, and coming out of corners. He was shocked and impressed.
How you want the car to behave will determine which car is right for you, or which car's behavior you prefer. If you live where it will snow and traction is an issue, the C4 is probably the better car for you.
They are both fantastic cars. Take them both out and push them and you'll easily see their characteristics come through for you.
How you want the car to behave will determine which car is right for you, or which car's behavior you prefer. If you live where it will snow and traction is an issue, the C4 is probably the better car for you.
They are both fantastic cars. Take them both out and push them and you'll easily see their characteristics come through for you.
08-24-2006, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosC4S
If I'm not mistaken, the rear quarter sections in the C4S is a total of about 2 and 9/16 inches (65mm) wider than the C2
08-24-2006, 12:40 PM
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Everyone should try both cars before ordering. I would dare say that more of the first time Porsche buyers are getting the 4s because there is a little fear working there on the alleged 'rear engine bias' of the 911. Longer time 911 drivers tend to have already mastered the rear bias and prefer the 2WD cars. (Much of the rear bias has been dialed out of the cars of today, through PSM and the incredibly wider wheels on the back end).
08-24-2006, 01:23 PM
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Does anyone have the specs on the widths of the 997, 997 S, 997 C4, and 997 C4S? I was under the impression that the C4 the "S" models were the same width. Is that correct or am I misinformed?
08-24-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gota911
Cosmos - That is not correct. The width of a 2006 C2 is 71.18 inches and the C4 is 72.91 inches wide. The difference is 1.73 inches or 44 mm.
It's in the technical service manual, in one of the last few categories/chapters.
There are body descriptions on the C2, C4, GT3, Turbo...
It's in pdf but I'll see if I can do a screen capture and post it here when I get home tonight.
Oh...by the way...are you talking about track width (tires) or body??
Note that I stated "rear quarter sections"
(edited later) Ok...I got the page here now:
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08-24-2006, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmosC4S
Ok...I got the page here now:
You need to look at 2006 or newer data for the 997 C4.
08-24-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rcg412
It is my understanding as well that in the 997,the C4 and the C4s have the exact same rear fender witdth. Can anyone confirm?
C2 and C2S 1808mm
C4 and C4S 1852mm
my Bad... 
08-24-2006, 04:45 PM
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I like that my C2 requires some attention to keep it in line sometimes, I think of it as part of my 911 experience.
I do wish that I had the wider back end! I just won't part next to you C4S's!
I do wish that I had the wider back end! I just won't part next to you C4S's!
08-25-2006, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cowhorn
Does anyone have the specs on the widths of the 997, 997 S, 997 C4, and 997 C4S? I was under the impression that the C4 the "S" models were the same width. Is that correct or am I misinformed?
You can go to the Porsche web site and click on Models and then on 911. Then select the model of your choice (C2, C2S, C4, C4S, etc.). Now click on Specs & Features. Then select Body at the top of that window. You will see the dimensions (width, length, height, wheelsbase, drag coefficient, curb weight). That is where I got my "width" info that I posted earlier in this thread. Lots of good stuff there.
08-25-2006, 08:16 PM
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I've been driving 911s for more than 25 years and have seat time in just about everything. I bought a 997 C4S Coupe in April and must say that it is the most refined and capable 911 that I have ever driven. The AWD is impossible to fault and belongs on this model as much as it does on the Turbos.
Whilst the 2WD S is a satisfying car in its own right, it does not feel nearly as sorted or as confident at speed. The weight difference between them is not of any real consequence and the argument about not needing AWD because you don't drive in the rain is absolute rubbish. The car is technically superior to the 2WD versions all the time and regardless of temperature or chance of precipitation. That is not just my opinion but also the opinion of my friends who race. One of whom has won Le Mans in a Porsche.
If you have the opportunity to purchase a Carrera 4 or 4S, do it without hesitation. This is a very complete car with extremely high limits.
Whilst the 2WD S is a satisfying car in its own right, it does not feel nearly as sorted or as confident at speed. The weight difference between them is not of any real consequence and the argument about not needing AWD because you don't drive in the rain is absolute rubbish. The car is technically superior to the 2WD versions all the time and regardless of temperature or chance of precipitation. That is not just my opinion but also the opinion of my friends who race. One of whom has won Le Mans in a Porsche.
If you have the opportunity to purchase a Carrera 4 or 4S, do it without hesitation. This is a very complete car with extremely high limits.