No LSD's on US base 997s (C2 & C4)?
#16
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Originally Posted by frayed
I've owned both and have put both on track. Go figure, the motor in my 997S feels more visceral and none have blown up or burned much oil.
As on the interenets. . . things get overblown.
Except for the sunroof issue.
As on the interenets. . . things get overblown.
Except for the sunroof issue.
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Originally Posted by MrBonus
I searched the Boxster and 996 forums on multiple occasion and couldn't find anyone suffering any issues from oil starvation or spun bearings. I think the inadequacy of the sump is nothing more than Internet lore.
#18
Ok so the moral of the story is either be happy with the open diff in the 997 C2S or get the C4S. I'm not interested in the GT3 and the Turbo is out of my price range. Perhaps I should be looking at 993's? I'm not interested in the 996 at this point.
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Originally Posted by Moderato
Ok so the moral of the story is either be happy with the open diff in the 997 C2S or get the C4S. I'm not interested in the GT3 and the Turbo is out of my price range. Perhaps I should be looking at 993's? I'm not interested in the 996 at this point.
The C4S has an open diff, and does not have the LSD as an option as does the turbo.
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Originally Posted by Moderato
Ok so the moral of the story is either be happy with the open diff in the 997 C2S or get the C4S. I'm not interested in the GT3 and the Turbo is out of my price range. Perhaps I should be looking at 993's? I'm not interested in the 996 at this point.
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Originally Posted by frayed
Huh?
The C4S has an open diff, and does not have the LSD as an option as does the turbo.
The C4S has an open diff, and does not have the LSD as an option as does the turbo.
Yah, I think that the point was:
1.) Buy a C2 with open diff or
2.) Buy a C4S with open diff - but at least it's AWD.
Not sure...
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do you track a LOT? if not, you dont really NEED LSD, nice to have, but not necessary.
unless you find a 993 wiht low mileage, otherwise i suspenct the LSD would have been worn out by now.
unless you find a 993 wiht low mileage, otherwise i suspenct the LSD would have been worn out by now.
#25
Originally Posted by dstrimbu
Yah, I think that the point was:
1.) Buy a C2 with open diff or
2.) Buy a C4S with open diff - but at least it's AWD.
Not sure...
1.) Buy a C2 with open diff or
2.) Buy a C4S with open diff - but at least it's AWD.
Not sure...
#26
Originally Posted by frayed
Moderato what's the big issue that you are trying to overcome? The logic of buying a C4S to avoid a single, rear open diff in favor of two open diffs makes no sense.
#27
Originally Posted by mooty
do you track a LOT? if not, you dont really NEED LSD, nice to have, but not necessary.
unless you find a 993 wiht low mileage, otherwise i suspenct the LSD would have been worn out by now.
unless you find a 993 wiht low mileage, otherwise i suspenct the LSD would have been worn out by now.
#28
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Originally Posted by Moderato
No I don't track a lot, but I still like a certain level & type of performance in my cars, regardless. If I did track a lot, I wouldn't even be considering a C2S or C4S, I'd be getting a GT3!
#29
Originally Posted by Moderato
The C2S will be spinning one wheel and the computer will apply the brake transfering power....etc, I don't like that. At least with an LSD you get both wheels spinning without any braking.
Anway, having owned several RWD cars, including a GT3, I can tell you with certainty the C2S is incredibly stable and does not suffer from frequent ABD application like my 996 C2 displayed. It is an immensely satisfying car and the lack of LSD does not detract from the driving experience. But I reckon you'd need some miles of hard driving to understand/believe what I'm trying to state.
On my dedicated track car I have a 40% lockup, 3 clutch, aggressive ramp angle, cooled custom built diff. In track applications on a car that can have a 'light' rear end, it notably enhances traction, especially at 2800 lbs and 400 hp on tap.
On my 997S, on the other hand, I don't really miss it. . . though lurid slides require you to press the PSM button. During such lurid slides, ABD is non intrusive. The real difference b/t the LSD equiped GT3 and the 997S in a drift situation, is predictability. . . the GT3 was slightly more tractable.
There are reasons why the C4 cars are a more interesting choice for some, but justifying the car choice b/c of lack of LSD on the C2S is off the mark IMO.
In any event, they are both stellar cars and the only cars that could possibly rip my C2S out of my hands is the new GT3 or maybe an Fcar.
#30
Originally Posted by MrBonus
Where exactly does the C2S fall short in performance for you?