How Good Are Stock Tires?
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Buzz,
When you cool down and read your own posts, I don't think you'll be self-congratulatory.
As far as my racing:
Local class champ in small bore in med school
Vintage Can Am Lola T163 thru 1993 (612 hp, top speed 188) Won once-tough class
Kurtis 500 S- vintage racer- 570 hp, top speed 188
Elise 190 practice car 190 hp top speed never reached
Lotus Super 7 vintage racer- 180 ho, top speed 130 but that is a fast 130
Just back from Bondurant Advanced course- I think they thought i was okay. They score you there, so Tony Stewart beat me by a little. Derek Bell beat me by .1 sec in the early 90's.(driving same car)
Yes, I could heel-toe since I was 18- so that's about 40 years
Good luck on your run- still makes no sense to me, but that's why they make vanilla. AS
When you cool down and read your own posts, I don't think you'll be self-congratulatory.
As far as my racing:
Local class champ in small bore in med school
Vintage Can Am Lola T163 thru 1993 (612 hp, top speed 188) Won once-tough class
Kurtis 500 S- vintage racer- 570 hp, top speed 188
Elise 190 practice car 190 hp top speed never reached
Lotus Super 7 vintage racer- 180 ho, top speed 130 but that is a fast 130
Just back from Bondurant Advanced course- I think they thought i was okay. They score you there, so Tony Stewart beat me by a little. Derek Bell beat me by .1 sec in the early 90's.(driving same car)
Yes, I could heel-toe since I was 18- so that's about 40 years
Good luck on your run- still makes no sense to me, but that's why they make vanilla. AS
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Originally Posted by Octanemia
Your tires will hold on to top speed, but not for longer durations and in summer.
Nice to see someone using all the car's limit, like me.
Nice to see someone using all the car's limit, like me.
I believe it will be safer... and the car will definitely put out more in cooler temps.
I just don't understand people who buy race cars.... and don't race them. Wanna be's .
To address someone else's question about tire and wheel insurance, I bought it when I paid for my 997. You may be able to buy it from your Porsche dealer.
It sure is cheaper than buying a new wheel!
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Originally Posted by Alexander Stemer
Buzz,
When you cool down and read your own posts, I don't think you'll be self-congratulatory.
As far as my racing:
Local class champ in small bore in med school
Vintage Can Am Lola T163 thru 1993 (612 hp, top speed 188) Won once-tough class
Kurtis 500 S- vintage racer- 570 hp, top speed 188
Elise 190 practice car 190 hp top speed never reached
Lotus Super 7 vintage racer- 180 ho, top speed 130 but that is a fast 130
Just back from Bondurant Advanced course- I think they thought i was okay. They score you there, so Tony Stewart beat me by a little. Derek Bell beat me by .1 sec in the early 90's.(driving same car)
Yes, I could heel-toe since I was 18- so that's about 40 years
Good luck on your run- still makes no sense to me, but that's why they make vanilla. AS
When you cool down and read your own posts, I don't think you'll be self-congratulatory.
As far as my racing:
Local class champ in small bore in med school
Vintage Can Am Lola T163 thru 1993 (612 hp, top speed 188) Won once-tough class
Kurtis 500 S- vintage racer- 570 hp, top speed 188
Elise 190 practice car 190 hp top speed never reached
Lotus Super 7 vintage racer- 180 ho, top speed 130 but that is a fast 130
Just back from Bondurant Advanced course- I think they thought i was okay. They score you there, so Tony Stewart beat me by a little. Derek Bell beat me by .1 sec in the early 90's.(driving same car)
Yes, I could heel-toe since I was 18- so that's about 40 years
Good luck on your run- still makes no sense to me, but that's why they make vanilla. AS
I'm on a rescue truck during the 24 hours of Daytona, and we are stationed on top of the tunnel entrance on the high banks...turn 4 for the stock cars. Derek came screaming by in the dark of night. This was before there were any track lights. We heard him suddenly let off the throttle and his car flipped at top speed. He ended up upside down in the middle of the track with other traffic coming. 3 of us ran out to his car with lights... he was not injured, but had no idea what had happened. I pulled him out of the car and we walked him to a safe place. He was dazed.... but I don't think anyone really figured out what happened. He was driving a prototype and I think it just blew over backwards. But in any event... I'm not mad. And, I apologize for my rants. I simply asked a question and got attacked. Vanilla? I won't respond to that.
Matter of fact, I've got the information I needed from here. I'm not going to use these tires.
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Yea, 155 on a straight road - just push the pedal and hope for the best. If I wanted a dragster I would have gotten a Vette and saved lots of money.
Now for me let's take some corners at speed - downshifting (heel and toe) upshifting, left, right, oh yea baby...
Hey, I Suggest PDE FOR EVERYONE!!!
On a track 40 can even feel like 200!!!
Now for me let's take some corners at speed - downshifting (heel and toe) upshifting, left, right, oh yea baby...
Hey, I Suggest PDE FOR EVERYONE!!!
On a track 40 can even feel like 200!!!
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Originally Posted by JFScheck
Yea, 155 on a straight road - just push the pedal and hope for the best. If I wanted a dragster I would have gotten a Vette and saved lots of money.
Now for me let's take some corners at speed - downshifting (heel and toe) upshifting, left, right, oh yea baby...
Hey, I Suggest PDE FOR EVERYONE!!!
On a track 40 can even feel like 200!!!
Now for me let's take some corners at speed - downshifting (heel and toe) upshifting, left, right, oh yea baby...
Hey, I Suggest PDE FOR EVERYONE!!!
On a track 40 can even feel like 200!!!
A 'Vette for a dragster? Surely you jest. The deal with the drag race was just a whim. I race a 500 hp 68 Camaro that has been gutted. I was joking around with my team and told them I could get the Porsche through the traps in the 11's. They all laughed.....so I ran it and damn near got it there.12.1 isn't too far away! The Camaro runs in the low 10's. Powered by a 302 small block, trick stutter box trans brake tranny, and I run a 5:87 gear. It's not something you'd want to drive on the street. I eat 'vettes like candy.
And, I'm with you on full on road racing too. I can't even drive around town without heel toe ing. Since I bought the Porsche, I yearn for S turns, chicanes, and the like. Has anyone ever run the Dragon in the mountains of NC?
What about Road Atlanta? I love that track..... smooth, fast and great down and uphill sections. I've run it on a bike and in a car. At my age, I now prefer the car!
As for the tires when I do this flat out run.... I've been offered Michelin track tires and wheels. The tires are two lap scuffs from Daytona. It's nice to know people!
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Buzz - any N rated tire is safe at sustained high speeds up to the rating. I averaged over 170 MPH on a 4 mile test track with no tire issues other than premature wear. The track features 37 degree banking. It is where "Driven" was filmed and is 30 mins from my home. Other than having the guts not to lift when you enter the corners, it is trivial driving.
I caution you about using road racing tires - they are not designed for sustained high speeds unless they are designed for ovals. Road racing tracks have corners and the average speed is far less than your contemplated 155. Worse, road racing tires are thin and do not resist bumps, pot holes and road debris. A blow out at 155 or more can be fatal.
Lastly, you seem to equate a high speed run in a straight line with "racing". Sorry, but anyone with more ***** than brains can push a gas pedal. Going fast in corners takes ***** and brains - not to mention quite a bit of skill.
Since you said you "raced" the car and came first, I assume you have all the usual safety gear. Lose it at 150 plus and you'll need all of it and probably more. Race tracks are a safer place to go fast than abandoned roads. Guard rails parallel to the track are less likely to be fatal than, say, drainage ditches, and, there is nobody coming the other way.
You will find that many of us drive our cars as they were intended, but we don't do it *on the street*. On a track, the high speed sections are where we relax, check our gauges and talk to the pit crew. Going fast in a straight line is easy, it's in the corners when we're too busy to chat.
Rgds,
I caution you about using road racing tires - they are not designed for sustained high speeds unless they are designed for ovals. Road racing tracks have corners and the average speed is far less than your contemplated 155. Worse, road racing tires are thin and do not resist bumps, pot holes and road debris. A blow out at 155 or more can be fatal.
Lastly, you seem to equate a high speed run in a straight line with "racing". Sorry, but anyone with more ***** than brains can push a gas pedal. Going fast in corners takes ***** and brains - not to mention quite a bit of skill.
Since you said you "raced" the car and came first, I assume you have all the usual safety gear. Lose it at 150 plus and you'll need all of it and probably more. Race tracks are a safer place to go fast than abandoned roads. Guard rails parallel to the track are less likely to be fatal than, say, drainage ditches, and, there is nobody coming the other way.
You will find that many of us drive our cars as they were intended, but we don't do it *on the street*. On a track, the high speed sections are where we relax, check our gauges and talk to the pit crew. Going fast in a straight line is easy, it's in the corners when we're too busy to chat.
Rgds,