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Old 12-25-2005, 11:40 AM
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Are the P-Zero's a good choice for the 997 with 19's?
Old 12-25-2005, 12:07 PM
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I have P-Zero Rosso's on my '04 996. They have a tread wear rating of 220. They have great grip, but the center of the rear tires wear out quickly, between 8,000 to 10,000 miles. After about 7,000 they begin to get loud.

A lot of the guys on the 996 forum have gone with the Potenza S-02A and seem to like them. However, they have a tread wear rating of only 140. I am considering the Bridgestone Potenza RE750, which have a tread wear rating of 340. Since I don't track my car, I am not concerned with the having ultimate gripping tire on my car. Hope this helps.
Old 12-25-2005, 05:54 PM
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same experience with the p-zero as gota911. a ;ot of people seem to prefer the michelin ps2.
Old 12-25-2005, 07:44 PM
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Have had p-zeros on two previous cars. They do make a lot of road noise after a few thousand miles. Great dry grip! Never been in the wet.
Old 12-25-2005, 07:55 PM
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i have the P Zero gaillo N3's and have used them since owning the car. performance in the dry is great, and in the wet they are fantastic in my opinion..i can't ask a tire to do a better job of keeping a high hp car from spinning out in heavy rain than these Pzero's.
Old 12-25-2005, 08:32 PM
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I've owned both PS2's and P-Zeros and would have to say that my next tires will be again, the P-Zeros. Besides outstanding dry and wet grip, they have a little convexity to them in case I get too intimate with a curb (rim sparing feature).
Old 12-25-2005, 09:43 PM
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I like P-Zeros. I had them on my 996 and I have them on my 997. 10,000-12,000 miles on the rears is about all you'll get from any of the ultra high perf. tires. You can't compare treadware ratings between different makes of tires. They are only specific to the tire manufacturer and not to any type of standardized testing.
Old 12-26-2005, 02:52 AM
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I have the P-Zero Rosso and now have over 12,000 miles on the rears. That's pretty amazing, but my next tires will be Kumho ASX. They're super cheap, and will work in a bit of snow (for my drive up to Toronto in February). I'll get back to the Pirellis next time.
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Originally Posted by Paul Marangoni
I have the P-Zero Rosso and now have over 12,000 miles on the rears. That's pretty amazing, but my next tires will be Kumho ASX. They're super cheap, and will work in a bit of snow (for my drive up to Toronto in February). I'll get back to the Pirellis next time.
Kumho? I just bought a set of them for my other car and after spinning sideways on dry pavement while testing the sidewall roll, I took them back and made them take them off the car. They were downright dangerous! These were NOT the ASX tire though. They were a bit higher profile. What are you calling "super cheap?"
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The Kumho Ecsta ASX won't have anywhere near the grip of Michelin or Pirelli, but they can handle a bit of snow which the others can't. The sizes I'm getting are 225/40/18 ($97 each) and 265/35/18 ($175 each).

Which Kumhos did you try? A friend of mine uses the ASX on his WRX and he got them specifically because he wanted less grip at the track. If you spin out 50 or 60 mph you'll be fine and you probably won't damage anything. If you spin out at 90 mph, you run the risk of killing yourself. I see his point, but I still prefer the stickier tire. I'm just going with the ASX for the winter ability.
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Originally Posted by Paul Marangoni
The Kumho Ecsta ASX won't have anywhere near the grip of Michelin or Pirelli, but they can handle a bit of snow which the others can't. The sizes I'm getting are 225/40/18 ($97 each) and 265/35/18 ($175 each).

Which Kumhos did you try? A friend of mine uses the ASX on his WRX and he got them specifically because he wanted less grip at the track. If you spin out 50 or 60 mph you'll be fine and you probably won't damage anything. If you spin out at 90 mph, you run the risk of killing yourself. I see his point, but I still prefer the stickier tire. I'm just going with the ASX for the winter ability.
I had 225/40/16's ... all the way around. This is on a twin turbo Stealth AWD. I just found them to roll the sidewalls so badly, the car spun sideways on a straight stretch just by my weaving back and forth to see if they would roll over like that....and I found out! That is pretty cheap. Do you know what the speed rating is on them and if they make 19's? I run my Pcar up beyond 150mph on occasion, and don't want any issues there. Thanks.
Old 12-26-2005, 05:09 PM
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Speed rating on the Ecsta ASX is W (168mph) but they don't make them in 19. 18 is the largest. The P Zero Nero M+S does come in 19s and is probably a slightly better tire than the Kumho. I may end up with the Pirello Neros.
Old 12-26-2005, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Marangoni
Speed rating on the Ecsta ASX is W (168mph) but they don't make them in 19. 18 is the largest. The P Zero Nero M+S does come in 19s and is probably a slightly better tire than the Kumho. I may end up with the Pirello Neros.
Let us know what you think of the Neros if you decide on them. I'd need a better speed rating anyway I guess.

Thanks!
Old 12-26-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz911S
I'd need a better speed rating anyway I guess.
Where are you running your car over 150? The salt flats?

I've been up to 165 once, and a few times over 150, but that was on a long stretch of Nevada highway with new tires, no traffic and perfect visibility. Plus, I never held the speed longer than about 10 seconds.

With these all-season tires, I don't think I'll be approaching even 130 let alone 150. I already have too many speeding tickets as it is anyway. This should help me abstain from speeding.
Old 12-27-2005, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Marangoni
. . . Which Kumhos did you try? A friend of mine uses the ASX on his WRX and he got them specifically because he wanted less grip at the track. If you spin out 50 or 60 mph you'll be fine and you probably won't damage anything. If you spin out at 90 mph, you run the risk of killing yourself. . .
Sorry Paul, with all due respect, your friend is nuts.


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