Break In Tips
#31
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Originally Posted by PV
I don't understand the slight gain in power after a break in period? Please expand on that!
When these components wear themselves into their true centers of balance, the engine performs more efficiently. And with an increase in efficiency, an increase in output power is realized.
#32
That is exactly my confusion. I understand that the first miles will help to wear off the sharp edges, such that the rotating and moving parts in general starts to match each other. However, while those parts are rubbing and wearing and try to match each other, we take materials away, and that is exactly what you see in the oil, besides combustion products like water and for instance coke.
Now to the point: the wearing is not bringing the parts closer to each other. So although they start to match each other, the parts are starting to have more and more distance from each other, so can leak easier, create more friction in the gear box, etc, etc. So, I'm not sure we can expect a curve as described, or it must be that the friction between parts is reduced so much that they are initially decreasing faster than the incrrease of the gap.
I can be totally wrong, which I will accept if I see the statistics. So, I'm going to look for the statistics, if there are any any
Now to the point: the wearing is not bringing the parts closer to each other. So although they start to match each other, the parts are starting to have more and more distance from each other, so can leak easier, create more friction in the gear box, etc, etc. So, I'm not sure we can expect a curve as described, or it must be that the friction between parts is reduced so much that they are initially decreasing faster than the incrrease of the gap.
I can be totally wrong, which I will accept if I see the statistics. So, I'm going to look for the statistics, if there are any any
#33
In my opinion, when you break in a car you're basically just seating the main bearings and seating the piston rings. Sure, there's some friction....but it isn't going to wear things as fast as you would think. The better the rings seat and seal, the more compression you get and the gain in horsepower is probably more relevant to that. Anything that has moving parts will wear in.....and usually over a period , that wearing in will peak....and from then on you're wearing "out". It's the nature of any machine.
#34
Banned
Originally Posted by PV
...Now to the point: the wearing is not bringing the parts closer to each other. So although they start to match each other, the parts are starting to have more and more distance from each other, so can leak easier, create more friction in the gear box, etc, etc. ...:
During the wear-in period those components that are not perfectly balanced are bound to violate that gap spacing and touch each other, hence the wear of which we speak. That is why it is critical not to super rev the engine during break-in because the not-yet-perfectly-balanced components will generate excessive centrifugal forces during high revs resulting in excessive wear of the components, resulting in excessive gapping, resulting in loss of power, resulting in premature ... you get the picture.
After the wear-in period, and all the rotating components have found their true centers, there should never, ever be any engine wear (theoretically), since these components will never, ever touch each other (theoretically) due to the protective film of oil separating them. Capeesh?
#35
Banned
Originally Posted by Buzz911S
In my opinion, when you break in a car you're basically just seating the main bearings and seating the piston rings...
#36
You can also "turn" a bearing in it's seat in the engine block by high revving, especially if you run it up too fast when it's cold. The main bearing doesn't have to move much to misalign the oil passages and....
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#37
Originally Posted by Buzz911S
Well......with 600 miles on my S, today I took off in first gear, hit the limiter and fell flat on my face. I believe first gear must have been made for pulling stumps out of the ground. <grin> If you're planning to stand on it in first gear, be ready to change gears immediately. When I bought the car I was told there were no limiters on it so it would go the full 182mph top end. Wrong! I've found the limiter twice now. I doubt you could get to it in sixth gear. I've been driving "normally" around town, but every time I drive the car, I have to put my foot in it in second and third gear. Probably not a great way to break it in, but the torque, accelleration, and exhaust howl is just too much to resist at times! .
#38
OK, I'm hopping along with your theoretical theory.
I watched my oil pressure closely over the first 6000 mile at idle and with warmed up motor. It took a while (maybe even 2500 mile) untill that pressure leveled off from initially 3.5+ barg, to currently 2.3 barg. After that, it didn't change anymore. Is that an indication, that the wearing in period was over? I lost a little pressure as the tolerances increased a bit compared to original. Due to that there is somewhat more leak and so less pressure build up.
I watched my oil pressure closely over the first 6000 mile at idle and with warmed up motor. It took a while (maybe even 2500 mile) untill that pressure leveled off from initially 3.5+ barg, to currently 2.3 barg. After that, it didn't change anymore. Is that an indication, that the wearing in period was over? I lost a little pressure as the tolerances increased a bit compared to original. Due to that there is somewhat more leak and so less pressure build up.
#39
Originally Posted by PV
OK, I'm hopping along with your theoretical theory.
I watched my oil pressure closely over the first 6000 mile at idle and with warmed up motor. It took a while (maybe even 2500 mile) untill that pressure leveled off from initially 3.5+ barg, to currently 2.3 barg. After that, it didn't change anymore. Is that an indication, that the wearing in period was over? I lost a little pressure as the tolerances increased a bit compared to original. Due to that there is somewhat more leak and so less pressure build up.
I watched my oil pressure closely over the first 6000 mile at idle and with warmed up motor. It took a while (maybe even 2500 mile) untill that pressure leveled off from initially 3.5+ barg, to currently 2.3 barg. After that, it didn't change anymore. Is that an indication, that the wearing in period was over? I lost a little pressure as the tolerances increased a bit compared to original. Due to that there is somewhat more leak and so less pressure build up.
#40
Race Car
I sure hope that none of my bearings ever touch each other....that would be instant destruction of the engine. The fact is is that there is clearence between all the engines moving parts and this clearance is filled by oil. Any moving part in the engine that does not have this clearance will be destroyed faster than you can turn the engine off.
#43
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My manual doesn't even mention the 4000RPM limit, the only reference to the RMPs during the 3000km brake-in is a vague "avoid high RMPs specially when engine is cold".