stinky

I'm looking at a new 997, with 123 miles. When I asked about the relatively high miles for a new car, they said it was from test drives. Is this a high number of miles for a new car and can this factor into the price? If so, now much is negotiable?

The carrera (non S) is $79,999

thanks in advance.

ossi

i would NOT buy a 997 with 123 mls as a "new car" because it isn't. normal delivery mls are anywhere from 25-40. anything above is questionable.

if you don't care that "someone" pu additional 100mls on your new car, you should at least consider negochiating a lower price. MSRP is out of the question...

but thats just me...

-r

nyca

people pound on these test drive cars, often from cold starts without proper warm up. i wouldn't buy one at any price, why risk it, the factory is cranking out new ones every day.

JS

Up to 200 miles car is considered new.

blkc4sny

That's a tough decision, but I would definitely request a discount or just let it go. No question that test drives will pound the hell out of it, for me, I would not buy this car. When your spending 90Kish, don't you want a New one?? Otherwise, sit on the sidelines for a year and hopefully you'll see one for sale that you like for about 10K less than MSRP.

Good luck!

jcnesq

It may be "considered new", but you know its got 100 miles of short drives with people jammin on the gas, running it too hard when its cold, let alone properly broken in. Who knows if this really has any long term effect, but I would prefer true "new" milage (20-30) and was happy to get my 997S with only 26 miles on it. If you go for it, I would negotiate really hard for a bigger discount.

Moogle

it may be untitled, but the mileage suggest someone has already driven it, 100 miles is a lot, most porsches are delivered with 20~ miles.

my boxster was delivered with 18 miles, GT3, also with 18, but it had 25 by the time they put the GT3 clubsport equipment into it, since the service department is in a separate facility.

i would walk away, espeiclaly if you are paying NEW car price, you want a REAL new car. untiltled doesnt neccesarily mean NEW

this is very important to me, because i like to keep my cars for a long time, and i break them in properly, if a car was used for a test drive, it waas likely opened up 'before it was meant to be'. isn't that what a test drive is for? same applies to laoner cars.

Roadking

It is your personal choice. It wouldnt bother me. I drive the heck out of my cars, sometimes without proper warm up or whatever. If you like it, buy it. Work the deal with the dealer. Here in Phx the wait is over 5mos for a 997 and longer for an S. Use your head. Almost all drives are with sales people and it is more difficult to "beat" the car with them in the passenger seat. Good luck!

abiazis

Ask for discount and be aggressive. Ask for $ 5,000 to get $ 3k off........car should be okay.........it is under warranty and if there are no dings, etc...go for it !!!

Blue S2

I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with a test-driven car either. You never know who took it out and didn't know how to drive a manual correctly, etc... When my daily car arrived it had 7 miles or something. My sales person explained it was delivery, and then one quick stop to the Texaco to bring the tank to full for me. (was it necessary? nice anyways though)

I have to wonder though... These cars like most high end performance cars are driven and tested on street and track by the factory before delivery. So i would imagine EVERY new car has been driven harder than they recommend for the break-in period. Any thoughts on this?

Moogle

Blue S2, new cars are tested for approximately 10 miles right after they finish production at the factory.

Roadking, i disagree, every test drive ive been on, many exotics, the salesman tells me to redline it and basically abuse the car and wring it out to see if 'its for me'... the idea of a 'soft' test drive is ludicrous.

lets not even get into how people treat loaner cars. especially if they are semi-high performance vehicles, like cayennes and boxsters that your dealer (should be) giving you.

perrys7342

One of these "Introductory" MSRP $79K Seal Grey 997 Coupes with 620 miles was reported as sold on eBay for $68,600. Based on the remaining inventory of these over-optioned Introductory 997 Coupes on Porsche dealer's inventory listings, it appears these are slow sellers. Most of the offered test drives have apparently been using these base 997 Coupes and accumulating some "perhaps hard" miles for a new vehicle.

Perry (42 Plus years of Porsche Ownership)

tarpon1

way too many miles for a new car. i agree with the others that you have no idea who has driven your "new car" before you, or for that matter whether they even know how to drive a manual...you pay full price for a new car for the "never touched" quality. the price also looks very high even for one with 20 miles on it. you might even be able to find a 997S with low miles on it from a distressed seller for close to $80k.

Rasta

Assume that the car has been driven, and driven hard. Don't settle for less than $5K off of MSRP. There was also a brand new 997 C2 (non-S) with 72 miles that was being sold as a "No Reserve" auction. It went for approximately $7K under:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2496511391

Blue S2

2 words:

European Delivery.