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why bother, unless it's an absolute steal of a deal?
There are tons of boring black 997s available that don't need a project or paintwork to get back to "what the car's condition should've been".
Say, it does need a repaint. If a large portion of the car looks like that it will be in the high 4 to 5 digit range to repaint. Great - did you get $10k off the car? No? Then you'll surely be left holding the bag for trying to explain to the next owner why the car needed a full repaint, which will be another ding in value.
Long story short, there's virtually no economics here that makes sense to proceed.
[edit] plus the fact youll be paying nosebleed prices in the bay area to correct the paint. oof
Is taking a car through a car wash neglect? Porsches (and BMWs) were once owned primarily by enthusiasts who did their own repairs and maintenance. This car probably was not owned by one of those people. judging by the swirls, the owner probably took it to the car wash on a regular basis, and from what the OP says, to the dealer on a regular basis. The best way to find out is doing what vg said and take it to a shop for an estimate. So experts, does the OP do that before or after the mechanical PPI?
again, why even try to go down this rabbit hole unless there's a fire sale going on?
Plenty of better cars without stories to be had. I'm in this thread to 1) await groovzilla's automoatic 48 posts about borescoring and 2) to discuss the merits of 997.1 and .2 (the answer is obvious) but really hopefully 3) to see OP make the best decision by walking away from this situation
It’s 2007 C2S with 77k miles. Initially, the seller wanted $37, but now is willing to let go for $34k. I’m going to see the car in person today, and might be able to negotiate down to $32k. I think that would be a good deal, no?
It’s 2007 C2S with 77k miles. Initially, the seller wanted $37, but now is willing to let go for $34k. I’m going to see the car in person today, and might be able to negotiate down to $32k. I think that would be a good deal, no?
Are you buying it to drive or to look at?
Is 32 a good deal?
Based on the few crummy pictures with reflections galore it is hard to tell what is a scratch and what is a car was swirl.
Based on the fact that we don't know if it is a tiptronic or a manual it is hard to tell.
Based on the fact that you have probably searched this site, the Pelican site and done google searches to learn all about these cars, and have not had a proper PPI done, it is hard to tell.
If you are horney for the car, jump into it. You may luck out. If you go slow like many have said, and find out what it needs, how much it will cost, etc., you will know if 32 is good or not.
Saw the car in person, the paint doesn’t look too bad, scratches can be easily buffed out. Did notice a ticking noise at idle, going to bore scope next week.
Looks like normal piston ring wear to me, the reflection of the light in the second picture just makes it look more pronounced than it is. You can kinda see it in the other pictures as well. Main thing is no deep grooves or discoloration.
Also recommend the paint shop take a look at it and see what they say. My car looks great, but my paint guy found a few things that I had never even noticed on my car. I'm going to have the car paint corrected and ceramic coated early this year, should look brand new, and I'll just have to hose it down once in a while.
Last edited by signalpuke; Jan 3, 2025 at 10:16 PM.
I just noticed driver side tail pipes appear to be a bit more sootier than the passenger side. Do you see what I see? When it comes to bore scoring, is this how tail pipes look with scored bores?
Few things things:
1. Those undersides look oxidized as hell. Is this a car that was driven during salt road winters?
2. Is it Manual Transmission?---->If yes did you get an Over Rev report
3. What are the Cam Deviation numbers?
4.---->As far as the Bore Scope photos you uploaded, that middle photo of cylinder number 6 looks "ok" but those streaks seem to be condensed into a smaller portion of the cylinder. Usually with the BSI I have seen or had done any light streaking is spread out more.
Here's a recent example of what I'm trying to describe - Here are 2 photos of cylinder#6 on my 2006 C4 w/80K miles that I just had PPI's/Bore Scope Inspected 2 weeks ago and purchased in Southern California.
You can see the streaks on cylinder walls are more faint and spread out:
Not that your cyl#6 is a deal breaker but it seems to me a bit more streaked and as long as you are aware - Grind on the seller about that cylinder and chew him down.
5----> I don't buy the cardboard box story regarding the scratches all over the car. Unless the seller is a complete idiot, who would continue to let boxes fall on there car?
Maybe seller will start considering a $29K offer
Last edited by groovzilla; Jan 3, 2025 at 10:58 PM.
Few things things:
1. Those undersides look oxidized as hell. Is this a car that was driven during salt road winters?
2. Is it Manual Transmission?---->If yes did you get an Over Rev report
3. What are the Cam Deviation numbers?
4.---->As far as the Bore Scope photos you uploaded, that middle photo of cylinder number 6 looks "ok" but those streaks seem to be condensed into a smaller portion of the cylinder. Usually with the BSI I have seen or had done any light streaking is spread out more.
Here's a recent example of what I'm trying to describe - Here are 2 photos of cylinder#6 on my 2006 C4 w/80K miles that I just had PPI's/Bore Scope Inspected 2 weeks ago and purchased in Southern California.
You can see the streaks on cylinder walls are more faint and spread out:
Not that your cyl#6 is a deal breaker but it seems to me a bit more streaked and as long as you are aware - Grind on the seller about that cylinder and chew him down.
5----> I don't buy the cardboard box story regarding the scratches all over the car. Unless the seller is a complete idiot, who would continue to let boxes fall on there car?
Maybe seller will start considering a $29K offer
The car spent its life in California, Arizona, and Texas. Maybe humidity in Texas is the reason for all that rust?
The car is a manual coupe 997.1 CS, and I didn’t get over rev report.
The car spent its life in California, Arizona, and Texas. Maybe humidity in Texas is the reason for all that rust?
The car is a manual coupe 997.1 CS, and I didn’t get over rev report.
Well you should have - And also the Cam Deviation numbers. So lets back up a little bit---> Did you get a thorough PPI?? Or just a Bore Scope Inspection?
Well you should have - And also the Cam Deviation numbers. So lets back up a little bit---> Did you get a thorough PPI?? Or just a Bore Scope Inspection?
Yes, I got what I think a thorough PPI with a bore scope. The car will need paint correction which will cost $2k, plus, if I were to buy this car I will replace AOS, coils, and install a low temp thermostat. The current owner has records of changing clutch & flywheel (2018), starter & engine mounts (2019), water pump/pulleys/belt (2023), spark plugs and oil pan resealed (2024).
It’s a 997.1 C2S coupe manual with 77k miles, the price will be $30k-$35k
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