$425 oil change
08-29-2024, 08:28 PM
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08-29-2024, 09:24 PM
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I recently took my Porsche (Cayenne, not 997) to the local Porsche dealer for an oil change. (Nothing else, just an oil change.) I provided the oil (10 liters of Motul - which cost me about $104 - 8 liters used, with 2 left over.)
The Porsche dealer charged me a total of $190.84 {This included an oil filter element ($37.04, and a seal ring $3.80), and $150 labor.}
Regarding the labor charge - in addition to the oil change, they did an overall under-body check, brake pad / rotors, suspension, tire wear and condition, etc, and topped off all of the fluids. And reset the oil change interval notification in the electronics.
This work was done by a senior Porsche technician, not lower-wage oil change only personnel. So the inspection work was done with an experienced set of eyes.
I didn't have to crawl under the vehicle; fool around with removing the various components in order to get to the oil filter; purchase the various other fluids for the fluid top offs; or fool around with the disposal of the used oil.
The dealer provided me with a 2024 Cayenne loaner vehicle for the day - free of charge.
Plus, this particular dealer does consistently outstanding / careful work and their fair pricing for routine maintenance helps instill a sense of value.
When it comes time to buy the next Porsche, I will not hesitate to go to them.
The Porsche dealer charged me a total of $190.84 {This included an oil filter element ($37.04, and a seal ring $3.80), and $150 labor.}
Regarding the labor charge - in addition to the oil change, they did an overall under-body check, brake pad / rotors, suspension, tire wear and condition, etc, and topped off all of the fluids. And reset the oil change interval notification in the electronics.
This work was done by a senior Porsche technician, not lower-wage oil change only personnel. So the inspection work was done with an experienced set of eyes.
I didn't have to crawl under the vehicle; fool around with removing the various components in order to get to the oil filter; purchase the various other fluids for the fluid top offs; or fool around with the disposal of the used oil.
The dealer provided me with a 2024 Cayenne loaner vehicle for the day - free of charge.
Plus, this particular dealer does consistently outstanding / careful work and their fair pricing for routine maintenance helps instill a sense of value.
When it comes time to buy the next Porsche, I will not hesitate to go to them.
The overall total was $294.84.
That oil change was done two weeks ago.
08-29-2024, 09:26 PM
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I ordered an oil change kit from FCP euro for the first time today, vs piece-mealing my own oil change parts and always forgetting something. Also was able to get my choice of oil (in this case LM 5W40). Approx $100 for oil, filter, drain plug, crush washer to the front door. As others have said, changing the oil in the 997 is cake. I just changed the oil in my daughter's CX5 and it was double the time. And, I'm working up the energy to do my wife's Macan next which is a bit of a pita. But, all faster than dealing with dealer appointments and WAY cheaper. And I know that either it was done right OR it's all my fault. YMMV.
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Liste-Renn (08-30-2024)
08-29-2024, 11:17 PM
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also worth noting, despite the oil change being pretty easy there are several tools you need to do the job, like a tool for re-setting the service light, specialized size socket for the filter, a torque wrench for that ft pound range, a jack or lift if you want to use that, and an oil disposal method, and a set of torx bits if you want to change the air filter.
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Liste-Renn (08-30-2024)
08-29-2024, 11:59 PM
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Glad your dealer stood up and did what was right. For those looking to get into a new Porsche at some point, having that relationship with your dealers service department (a profit center) may help you too.
My local dealer is a little over $400 for an oil change on my 997 GT3. That is 9.5 quarts (maybe liters, I forget) of oil, filter, 2 crush washers, a couple of orings (one of them being expensive at $10). Most independent shops around here are 25% cheaper. Whether someone chooses to save the $100 or not is a personal choice. I also get either a loaner or a ride to/from my house to grab my car which saves me asking a friend/family to take me when everyone is so busy already. That is my main motivation for using the dealer is the ease/convenience of it. Also, if something does go wrong (scratch something), I can go after a larger entity.
Regarding the labor cost, my dealer is $200/hour for labor. They typically charge me 1 hour of labor. The filter is I think $50. Oil is probably $90. Add tax. I'm missing some $s here, but I think I'm close. In the case of our local dealer, each tech has their own designated service bay. I don't typically see them going from one bay to another. Typically during that 20 mins they're doing a general look over on the car.
My local dealer is a little over $400 for an oil change on my 997 GT3. That is 9.5 quarts (maybe liters, I forget) of oil, filter, 2 crush washers, a couple of orings (one of them being expensive at $10). Most independent shops around here are 25% cheaper. Whether someone chooses to save the $100 or not is a personal choice. I also get either a loaner or a ride to/from my house to grab my car which saves me asking a friend/family to take me when everyone is so busy already. That is my main motivation for using the dealer is the ease/convenience of it. Also, if something does go wrong (scratch something), I can go after a larger entity.
Regarding the labor cost, my dealer is $200/hour for labor. They typically charge me 1 hour of labor. The filter is I think $50. Oil is probably $90. Add tax. I'm missing some $s here, but I think I'm close. In the case of our local dealer, each tech has their own designated service bay. I don't typically see them going from one bay to another. Typically during that 20 mins they're doing a general look over on the car.
=Bruce In Philly;19620987]2009 C2S 202K miles
I can't imagine what I would have spent, in total, if I took my car to a dealership.... heck even a good indy ain't all that cheap either. I DIY. I was chatting with a friend the other day, and he made some sort of comment like "... but the dealer has the tools." I told him that you can buy all the tools you need for any DIY job and still save money.
I do get using a dealer... one of the things I worked for was to have less cht in my life, but Porsche's re-positioning its product into an ultra luxury brand is ... well... let's say very profitable for them.
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I can't imagine what I would have spent, in total, if I took my car to a dealership.... heck even a good indy ain't all that cheap either. I DIY. I was chatting with a friend the other day, and he made some sort of comment like "... but the dealer has the tools." I told him that you can buy all the tools you need for any DIY job and still save money.
I do get using a dealer... one of the things I worked for was to have less cht in my life, but Porsche's re-positioning its product into an ultra luxury brand is ... well... let's say very profitable for them.
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Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
A 6-pack of oil might run you a little short...
You can pick up a pair of these and it will make getting under the rear of your car much easier.
https://www.raceramps.com/ramps/race/p/rr-56/
You can pick up a pair of these and it will make getting under the rear of your car much easier.
https://www.raceramps.com/ramps/race/p/rr-56/
I recently took my Porsche (Cayenne, not 997) to the local Porsche dealer for an oil change. (Nothing else, just an oil change.) I provided the oil (10 liters of Motul - which cost me about $104 - 8 liters used, with 2 left over.)
The Porsche dealer charged me a total of $190.84 {This included an oil filter element ($37.04, and a seal ring $3.80), and $150 labor.}
Regarding the labor charge - in addition to the oil change, they did an overall under-body check, brake pad / rotors, suspension, tire wear and condition, etc, and topped off all of the fluids. And reset the oil change interval notification in the electronics.
This work was done by a senior Porsche technician, not lower-wage oil change only personnel. So the inspection work was done with an experienced set of eyes.
I didn't have to crawl under the vehicle; fool around with removing the various components in order to get to the oil filter; purchase the various other fluids for the fluid top offs; or fool around with the disposal of the used oil.
The dealer provided me with a 2024 Cayenne loaner vehicle for the day - free of charge.
Plus, this particular dealer does consistently outstanding / careful work and their fair pricing for routine maintenance helps instill a sense of value.
When it comes time to buy the next Porsche, I will not hesitate to go to them.
The Porsche dealer charged me a total of $190.84 {This included an oil filter element ($37.04, and a seal ring $3.80), and $150 labor.}
Regarding the labor charge - in addition to the oil change, they did an overall under-body check, brake pad / rotors, suspension, tire wear and condition, etc, and topped off all of the fluids. And reset the oil change interval notification in the electronics.
This work was done by a senior Porsche technician, not lower-wage oil change only personnel. So the inspection work was done with an experienced set of eyes.
I didn't have to crawl under the vehicle; fool around with removing the various components in order to get to the oil filter; purchase the various other fluids for the fluid top offs; or fool around with the disposal of the used oil.
The dealer provided me with a 2024 Cayenne loaner vehicle for the day - free of charge.
Plus, this particular dealer does consistently outstanding / careful work and their fair pricing for routine maintenance helps instill a sense of value.
When it comes time to buy the next Porsche, I will not hesitate to go to them.
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08-30-2024, 01:03 AM
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Not so fast. Call me a fool but I had my last oil change at Zippy Lube. A buddy of mine has a 997 Carrera S and has used them for years. You bring the filter kit and the oil and they charge $27 in labor. I was skeptical so I called the shop and asked the manager if they're comfortable doing Porsches. "We do em' all the time" he said and offered proof. I asked if he had the torque numbers for the drain plug and the filter respectively and the total oil capacity. "Just a second" he said. He came back after confirming the numbers on his screen. Spot on. 19 ft/lbs for the filter, 37 ft/lbs for the drain plug and 7.9 qts of oil. So I brought them the car. They don't take appointments so it's first come first served. My wait was about 15 minutes.
They did a good drain of just over 30 minutes so I was in and out in less than an hour for just over $100. "That's why we do a good amount of Porsches said the manager. "We do the same thing as the dealership for $300 less". I'll pay $27 for not having to crawl around on the floor upside down with my face up against the bottom of my car.
They did a good drain of just over 30 minutes so I was in and out in less than an hour for just over $100. "That's why we do a good amount of Porsches said the manager. "We do the same thing as the dealership for $300 less". I'll pay $27 for not having to crawl around on the floor upside down with my face up against the bottom of my car.
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08-30-2024, 01:08 AM
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Part of my deal to myself and to my wife was that in buying a used Porsche I would handle ALL of the scheduled maintenance. When I got my car, all I had ever done was put in gas and change the reg tabs. Since I got my 997, the jobs I have done myself have paid for all the tools I bought to do the various jobs I will need to handle over the years. So far I have done my own oil change, PDK transmission, PDK clutch, drive belt change, and replaced the spark plugs and coil overs. I am no expert and I rely on YouTube, but if I can do it, anyone can. And the money I have saved goes towards upgrades down the road. ;-)
08-30-2024, 04:51 AM
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I have owned 911s since 1999, so 25 years. I have used dealers and the SAME senior level tech both in NJ and Florida (sort of my personal tech)....I NEVER had an issue at a dealer...I have used independents about 5 times and 3 of then f'd up. I spent $130,000 for my car so now what...I can't afford a $300 Oil change. I've also received many discounted services for that loyalty. So use who you want...I use who I believe is best.
I'm a Consultant and I teach Communication Skills...no one does it better...cheaper yes...better no! Why do they spend much more than they have to to work with me.....VALUE....! I renovated a hundred year old House when I lived in NJ...I found the best tradesman were never the cheapest. The Best always comes at a price. Every time I put my car keys in someone else's hands I need to know those are good hands...for me those are ;located at the dealer.
I'm a Consultant and I teach Communication Skills...no one does it better...cheaper yes...better no! Why do they spend much more than they have to to work with me.....VALUE....! I renovated a hundred year old House when I lived in NJ...I found the best tradesman were never the cheapest. The Best always comes at a price. Every time I put my car keys in someone else's hands I need to know those are good hands...for me those are ;located at the dealer.
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08-30-2024, 04:52 AM
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Part of my deal to myself and to my wife was that in buying a used Porsche I would handle ALL of the scheduled maintenance. When I got my car, all I had ever done was put in gas and change the reg tabs. Since I got my 997, the jobs I have done myself have paid for all the tools I bought to do the various jobs I will need to handle over the years. So far I have done my own oil change, PDK transmission, PDK clutch, drive belt change, and replaced the spark plugs and coil overs. I am no expert and I rely on YouTube, but if I can do it, anyone can. And the money I have saved goes towards upgrades down the road. ;-)
So getting under the car is not as easy as it used to be. Hate to say it but unless you have special genes, chances are you'll get there too at one point. Where paying for something you used to do yourself and enjoyed doing but just don't feel comfortable or the same enjoyment as you used to. Hopefully later rather than sooner. At least I can still play golf in total comfort
08-30-2024, 09:23 AM
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Good for you. I used to do a lot of work on my cars myself and enjoyed it. Got a lot of tools but as you trade to newer and different cars over the years you have to keep buying new tools, some of them quiet costly. I'm also not getting younger and not as limber as I used to be. My back especially is not what it used to be and I can sense a difference in overall mobility.
So getting under the car is not as easy as it used to be. Hate to say it but unless you have special genes, chances are you'll get there too at one point. Where paying for something you used to do yourself and enjoyed doing but just don't feel comfortable or the same enjoyment as you used to. Hopefully later rather than sooner. At least I can still play golf in total comfort
So getting under the car is not as easy as it used to be. Hate to say it but unless you have special genes, chances are you'll get there too at one point. Where paying for something you used to do yourself and enjoyed doing but just don't feel comfortable or the same enjoyment as you used to. Hopefully later rather than sooner. At least I can still play golf in total comfort
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Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
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08-30-2024, 10:25 AM
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Guess I am lucky, local Porsche service/repair business, PCA sponsor, has specials every few months. Most recent was oil change with Liqui Moly, OEM filter all in price $56.00!
08-30-2024, 11:21 AM
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$56 includes tax? That is an awesome price!!!
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08-30-2024, 12:24 PM
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By the way... when we tout the goodness of a tech inspection, the techs are rewarded with bonus money for finding issues. That inspection benefits them as well as us... just sayin'. I sincerely think the inspection should be free.
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Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
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Last edited by Bruce In Philly; 08-30-2024 at 12:29 PM.
08-30-2024, 12:43 PM
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By the way... when we tout the goodness of a tech inspection, the techs are rewarded with bonus money for finding issues. That inspection benefits them as well as us... just sayin'. I sincerely think the inspection should be free.
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Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
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