Any original owners - see attached for Settlement $
07-31-2022, 11:00 AM
#31
Instructor
That's weird, I've never noticed the correlation! But I'll bet if your back hurts a little on twisty roads you could go the personal injury route.
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ThomasCarreraGTS (07-31-2022)
07-31-2022, 12:16 PM
#32
Now that you mention it, the muscles I pulled in my lower back a few weeks ago were speaking to me on a spirited drive a couple days ago. Anybody else???
08-01-2022, 02:44 AM
#33
The header of the Porsche email states "In Re: Volkswagen Clean Diesel marketing, sales practices and products liability litigation" so we know where this suit is coming from. VW diesels had two different engine modes, one for testing, but another for driving which produced higher nitrogen oxide emissions and better mileage numbers. This was clearly illegal and lawsuit-worthy. But the only Pcar affected at that time was the Cayenne Diesel.
The case, as the email I received explains it, doesn't seem particularly complicated and can be summed up by a paragraph in the introduction and a paragraph in the FAQ, which I've read. It does a poor job of explaining the "why" it exists and a great job of explaining "how" to get money.
"Porsche and Volkswagen (the “Defendants”) have agreed to a Consumer Class Action Settlement Agreement and Release (the “Settlement”) to resolve claims that certain Porsche-branded gasoline vehicles sold or leased in the United States produce excess emissions and/or obtain worse fuel economy on the road than in testing conditions. Porsche and Volkswagen deny the claims but have decided to settle..."
"The Settlement is designed to compensate Class Members for driving vehicles for which the actual, on-road fuel economy may be up to 1-2 MPG less than was originally represented to consumers on the vehicle’s Monroney labels. Differences between the original and revised fuel economy ratings among the Class Vehicles resulted in different compensation amounts for each model and model year."
The Moroney for my car overestimated my real world mpg by 1 and underestimated my highway mpg by 2. In my opinion, that's not lawsuit-worthy because the delta of gas mileage in town at the level of 1mpg is entirely dependent on the way I drive.
Nothing in the FAQ went into the issue of "excess emissions" for gas Porsches. Are excess emissions in Porsches the result of simply burning more gas or does the car somehow produce excess emissions while getting the stated mileage- which is exactly what the legitimate lawsuit "Dieselgate" addressed?
The Car and Driver article below (2019) did a good job of explaining the original lawsuit being based on the VW engine modes.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...sions-scandal/
The case, as the email I received explains it, doesn't seem particularly complicated and can be summed up by a paragraph in the introduction and a paragraph in the FAQ, which I've read. It does a poor job of explaining the "why" it exists and a great job of explaining "how" to get money.
"Porsche and Volkswagen (the “Defendants”) have agreed to a Consumer Class Action Settlement Agreement and Release (the “Settlement”) to resolve claims that certain Porsche-branded gasoline vehicles sold or leased in the United States produce excess emissions and/or obtain worse fuel economy on the road than in testing conditions. Porsche and Volkswagen deny the claims but have decided to settle..."
"The Settlement is designed to compensate Class Members for driving vehicles for which the actual, on-road fuel economy may be up to 1-2 MPG less than was originally represented to consumers on the vehicle’s Monroney labels. Differences between the original and revised fuel economy ratings among the Class Vehicles resulted in different compensation amounts for each model and model year."
The Moroney for my car overestimated my real world mpg by 1 and underestimated my highway mpg by 2. In my opinion, that's not lawsuit-worthy because the delta of gas mileage in town at the level of 1mpg is entirely dependent on the way I drive.
Nothing in the FAQ went into the issue of "excess emissions" for gas Porsches. Are excess emissions in Porsches the result of simply burning more gas or does the car somehow produce excess emissions while getting the stated mileage- which is exactly what the legitimate lawsuit "Dieselgate" addressed?
The Car and Driver article below (2019) did a good job of explaining the original lawsuit being based on the VW engine modes.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...sions-scandal/
08-01-2022, 09:06 AM
#34
Instructor
I was wrong about the years in the suit, see attached (nothing earlier than 997.1)
https://www.porschegasolinesettlemen...33&inline=true
Quote from email regarding owners- "Former owners, lessees, and non-original owners may be eligible to claim compensation."
They'll try to get anyone in on the grab.
https://www.porschegasolinesettlemen...33&inline=true
Quote from email regarding owners- "Former owners, lessees, and non-original owners may be eligible to claim compensation."
They'll try to get anyone in on the grab.
08-01-2022, 10:11 AM
#35
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2009 C2S 181K miles
I know we don't like sleazy lawering (and we know it exists), but this is a legitimate way our systems punish companies that lie and cheat. If Porsche did, then they pay. I am not against such things.
Peace
Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
I know we don't like sleazy lawering (and we know it exists), but this is a legitimate way our systems punish companies that lie and cheat. If Porsche did, then they pay. I am not against such things.
Peace
Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
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08-01-2022, 01:49 PM
#36
Instructor
^^^ I absolutely agree with that and I think VW got what it deserved, maybe even got off a little easy. And the Cayenne diesel was, apparently, part of that sneaky 2 engine mode business. All that was well-documented. What I'm curious to know is how the gasoline engine cars got folded into it. Maybe there were threads on 911s getting suspiciously low mpgs?
In any case, I'm getting tired of hearing myself talk, so, time to let it go
In any case, I'm getting tired of hearing myself talk, so, time to let it go
08-10-2022, 11:11 AM
#37
Pro
Not that I am keen on feeding litigation like this, but out of curiosity I entered my VIN here:
https://secure.porschegasolinesettle.../en/calculator
"Based on the VIN information you provided, this Class Vehicle is an Other Class Vehicle and does not involve any adjustment to the estimated fuel economy rating. This Class Vehicle is eligible for compensation of up to $200, depending on the number of claims submitted. If you are the original owner of this vehicle and continued to own the vehicle on June 29, 2022, you are eligible to claim the maximum compensation for this VIN. If you are not the original owner or no longer own the vehicle, you will split the compensation with any other Class Member who submits a valid claim for this VIN."
I bought my 2007 Carrera (no Sport mode) in 2019 so it was already 12+ years old and I sure didn't buy it for the fuel economy.
https://secure.porschegasolinesettle.../en/calculator
"Based on the VIN information you provided, this Class Vehicle is an Other Class Vehicle and does not involve any adjustment to the estimated fuel economy rating. This Class Vehicle is eligible for compensation of up to $200, depending on the number of claims submitted. If you are the original owner of this vehicle and continued to own the vehicle on June 29, 2022, you are eligible to claim the maximum compensation for this VIN. If you are not the original owner or no longer own the vehicle, you will split the compensation with any other Class Member who submits a valid claim for this VIN."
I bought my 2007 Carrera (no Sport mode) in 2019 so it was already 12+ years old and I sure didn't buy it for the fuel economy.
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08-10-2022, 11:38 AM
#38
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This goes back to my greasy, slimy lawyer money grab comment earlier. I entered my vin's also out of curiosity. Turns out you don't even get the $200. You split it X ways with the number of previous owners if they make a claim. On my boxster it was the same thing except I could get a bonus if I neuter the Sport plus. No thanks.
So we're the "aggrieved" parties and "victims" of Porsche, so here's 25 bucks. You split $200, they split $80 million. I think that's how the math works.
They can keep the $25, I'll keep my horrible gas mileage and 6,500 rpms. Wouldn't even get me a 1/4 tank.
So we're the "aggrieved" parties and "victims" of Porsche, so here's 25 bucks. You split $200, they split $80 million. I think that's how the math works.
They can keep the $25, I'll keep my horrible gas mileage and 6,500 rpms. Wouldn't even get me a 1/4 tank.
08-17-2022, 04:23 AM
#39
Nordschleife Master
08-17-2022, 06:40 AM
#40
I filled out the claim weeks ago, but just curious, has anyone received any correspondence or affirmation that their claim was received and being reviewed? I too have noticed that my gas mileage hovers around 11-13 mpg. No where near the stated mpg from Porsche. Does my no lift gas pedal shifting and tens of thousands of recorded dme stage one's have anything to do with my poor gas mileage ?? 
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