https://www.vividracing.com/porsche-...151933368.html Look at the 1st pic in the 'photo roll' It looks like those lights can be achieved via this Laminx light tint

Also, suncoast coming in with darkness levels https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/P211.html


Can someone educate me, I thought all "4"s had the red bar connecting the tail lights? That posted pic does not,

 

Fair enough. There is really just something about those taillights that turns me off, lol. Also, if you're going the Sport Classic route (ducktail/wheels), isn't the whole point of that car meant to be a throw-back to some of the iconic air-cooled design cues? Seems to be a bit of a contradictory approach to the modding path; i.e. I want my 997 to look like an air-cooled car in some ways, but then I want my period correct 997.1 tail lights to not look so old.??

In the end, it matters not one bit what my or any one else's preferences are when it comes to design. Hell, my 997.2 has a ducktail and Sport Classics, so we're likely more aligned than not.

 

The 997.2 is closely priced to the 991 but I don't think that's a better 911 at all.

I also really don't think the 997.2 looks dated inside or out as long as you have the sport design steering wheel.

​​​​Most people couldn't tell the difference from a 997.2 or 991.

 

Okay, I take back that it's a better 911. I meant, that it's more modern and probably beats it in everything really from a technical (not emotional) level.
It's quicker 0-60, faster around a track, a better GT car, a nicer interior, probably sounds as good since it's still NA. I still think it looks quite different to the 997 but that's my opinion. I've loved porches forever so can spot every generation instantly.
Normal people probably couldn't tell the difference between 911s full stop lol.

I think I've actually decided to go with the 997.1, It's got a very strong history, I actually called up the Porsche Specialist and he went through everything with me and said it was in very good condition, had the full engine rebuild and it's IMS issue is not so bad in 2006+ as it's got the bigger bearing.
Whilst I'm a bit nervous about going to manual, I did learn on a manual and drove for 2 years in one. I'm hoping I just pick it back up super fast. Also, I drive my cayman in manual almost always, and when I go for country drives, I kinda wish I was changing the gears myself and not pushing a gear stick up and down.
If I end up hating it, as someone else said. Just sell it. I probably wont lose any money on a 997 that's already had its most significant depreciation. I'm very lucky with the used market as I'm selling my cayman for the same price I bought it after doing 30k miles on it!

 

You are right that if you don't like it you can always sell it and get a PDK. The 997s are fetching good money now in the UK. Plus a lot of people love a manul so I'm sure it would sell easy.

You got a link to the one in question?

 

Autotrader Link

 

Personally, I prefer the 997.2 console to the 997.1 and the 991. It still feels like a vintage 911 but with minor upgrades. 991 console looks to much like a spaceship. JMHO.

 

Not sure which picture you refer to but no matter what, the 997.1 C4S didn't have the red bar but the 997.2 C4S did.

 

Well said. And I don't get the opinion that there's a lack of upgrade options for 997's. Seem to me there are upgrade/mod options available for just about every last inch of 997's from body parts, lights to interior parts. And then to which is a better car. If the 991 was that much better than the 997, why isn't the price gap wider for used cars with similar mileage?

Then the much discussed difference in visual appearance between the two and how they drive. I don't care that the 997 is an older car than the 991. I just think it's a better looking car. Looks and drives more like a traditional 911 than the 991 which has some Panamera design influences baked in. At least to my eyes.

I could trade my 997 GTS for a 991 any day I want with little or no cash out of pocket. If I'm lucky I may even make a few $ on the deal depending of course which 991 model I would target. Incidentally I ran into a Boxster owner in the Total Wine parking lot the other night. He asked me how I liked the 991. Needless to say I told him what he was looking at. Granted, he only saw the front of my car and at least to me, the biggest difference in exterior looks between the two is from the rear. And he may have been drunk for all I know .

 

The car looks tidy. Bit odd the pictures were taken in a car park and not at home? I got my 997.2 a few weeks ago for £41k from a specialist.

Good wheels as well, I have those but in black.

 

He lives in London, having your own drive in central London means you're making Ferrari money not 997 money 😂. He actually keeps the car in a underground garage and barely drove it last year. He's also accepted 5 grand less than asking

 

Hahaha that makes sense then! Congratulations

 

I was going to say that it is over-priced at the list price, and £5K less puts it in the right ballpark. I bought a Cat D FSH 2006 4S manual with 35K miles in June and I paid £23K (from Porsche Indie dealer in North London, which includes a lifetime fixed cost for any future bore-scoring issues). I love it and I have a pot set aside for those potential upgrades. A Cat D discount makes the normal value around £33-35K.

I trust you are getting a PPI before buying. I would think there are similar cars out there - have you just been looking at Autotrader?

 

Just Autotrader. I found more C4S 997's with similar spec for around 26-30k, some with fewer miles too. None of them had a full engine rebuild and all the work included though.
That for me is a big selling point. I might buy a car that's 5-7k cheaper but when the bores score, I'm looking at 10k rebuild. At least these have steel bores and a bunch of other work.
I actually spoke to the Porsche technician that did the rebuild and believes it will only require basic consumables over the next years. I hope he's right !

What do you think?

 

What upgrades are the you both looking at? Interesting to hear what other people from the UK are doing. I did black wheels, brand new sport design steering wheel, X Pipe.