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looks great. The process he used is a full paint correction(getting out the scratches and swirls with the compound and polish). Make sure you get water off the surface after a rain as ceramic coatings tend to water spot
I'm going to check with him....I thought he said "tap water" but maybe I'm wrong? It poured in Florida last night and the temp dropped into the 40s so because of your post I was out thee at 7:00 am wiping her off.......froze my *** off!! Like being back in NJ!
looks great. The process he used is a full paint correction(getting out the scratches and swirls with the compound and polish). Make sure you get water off the surface after a rain as ceramic coatings tend to water spot
For that reason my detail guy uses graphene rather than ceramic coatings. Who knows if that makes any difference. Opinions are all over the place. He uses Adams products.
Last edited by Mitch911; Dec 25, 2020 at 02:44 PM.
For that reason my detail guy uses graphene rather than ceramic coatings. Who knows if that makes any difference. Opinions are all over the place. He uses Adams products.
Commentary on Graphene frequently states "Less prone to water spotting than ceramic" - but does not convey what the science is that is responsible for that. Both are highly hydrophobic, and that is precisely the quality that can create water spotting in the first place.
If both finishes are subjected to water high in mineral content and left in the sun, both will water spot.
You are gonna love it Jonas! I can't believe how great it looks! I'm thinking the black will look even more stunning if that's possible!
Tom
Well, that's what I would like to believe but you know how it is with black. Must be the most difficult color to work with and to keep it looking good.
Well, that's what I would like to believe but you know how it is with black. Must be the most difficult color to work with and to keep it looking good.
With a ceramic coating, the end result is 90% dependent on the extent and quality of the prep work. And on a black finish, it is even more the case as it shows everything. With the clarity and high gloss associated with a ceramic coating, any scratches or swirl marks become even more apparent. Time devoted to getting the paint right prior to the ceramic application is time well invested.
I've done my 911 and also my Jeep. The Jeep being black was more of a challenge...
With a ceramic coating, the end result is 90% dependent on the extent and quality of the prep work. And on a black finish, it is even more the case as it shows everything. With the clarity and high gloss associated with a ceramic coating, any scratches or swirl marks become even more apparent. Time devoted to getting the paint right prior to the ceramic application is time well invested.
I've done my 911 and also my Jeep. The Jeep being black was more of a challenge...
With a ceramic coating, the end result is 90% dependent on the extent and quality of the prep work. And on a black finish, it is even more the case as it shows everything. With the clarity and high gloss associated with a ceramic coating, any scratches or swirl marks become even more apparent. Time devoted to getting the paint right prior to the ceramic application is time well invested.
I've done my 911 and also my Jeep. The Jeep being black was more of a challenge...
Great advice. I'd like to think that whoever is doing the prep work would be honest enough to say whether or not the prep work was successful enough to make the ceramic coating worthwhile rather than making the car look worse. Your Jeep looks amazing though.
Tom, I'm more interested in how you keep your cab top so black and new looking. Mine's not bad at all, but yours really pops!
Thanks for the kind words....I do nothing! It was outside (no garage) in NJ for 4 years in the snow and then I moved to FL and a garage and have her for another 6 years......my detail guy did treat it with something when I had the ceramic done....I noticed a difference too so I'll ask him and tell you! Happy new year!
Make sure you get water off the surface after a rain as ceramic coatings tend to water spot
I think a lot of that may come from local climate/water quality and specific situations. I've had coated cars since early 2016, both daily drivers that sit outside 24/7 and the toy cars which become daily drivers in Spring, Sumner and Fall...rain, sun included. I have yet to experience permanent water spotting on any of them. Some folks in SE Florida, where apparently the municipal water is high in 'undesirable for paint' solids, are fighting a constant battle, notably when they get hit with sprinklers early in the day which then bakes in the afternoon sun 😱
Most coating mfg's have water spot removal products to deal with this...sometimes succesfully, sometimes not 🙁
Originally Posted by TommyV44
I'm going to check with him....I thought he said "tap water" but maybe I'm wrong? It poured in Florida last night and the temp dropped into the 40s so because of your post I was out thee at 7:00 am wiping her off.......froze my *** off!! Like being back in NJ!
Tom
Be wary of wiping your car if not freshly cleaned; one of the biggest misconceptions is that coatings are scratch resistant, touted by marketers with such gibberish as "Diamond Infused 10h hardness". While a coating MAY BE slightly 'harder' than your paint, the difference in reality is insignificant. Coatings do a lot of great things but scratch prevention really ain't one of them:
Commentary on Graphene frequently states "Less prone to water spotting than ceramic" - but does not convey what the science is that is responsible for that.
It's generally thought that the reduction in surface temps due to the insulating properties of the Reduced Graphene Oxide sprinkled in the otherwise ceramic base formulation contributes to this. From Albert Yow, the chemist behind Art d' Shine and SPS Graphene coatings:
To add on some answers to the article on Graphene,
The polymer used in Artdeshine’s product, PDMS has very low thermal conductivity, absorbing less heat when exposed. And if heat has been absorbed, the better dissipation and thermal conductivity ability of reduced Graphene Oxide (rGO) will help to negate. What we do not want is all that heat absorbed to be trapped. To say it simply, this is a case of using rGO to reduce the insulation (keeping heat) properties of PDMS.
Artdeshine has never touted using flames in any of our tests or marketing materials. This serves no purpose to demonstrate any capability of our coatings. We are not making fire-proof/retardant materials. And again, we are not touting thermal insulation as a beneficial property, we are trying to negate insulation.
Water repellent capabilities do not come from the use of rGO and can be seen in our marketing materials and information. A very high polymer (PDMS) content is used to achieve the better water-repellent effects. The polymer has been functionalized to provide much better water repellent capabilities.
I had SPS Graphene on my daily driver for 14 months, 16k miles and while it was very, very good I'm not convinced the small amount of graphene in it had much to do with it and I'm back to my preferred ceramics. Of I had a car better suited to its strengths, I'd have no problem using it again.
The rub w the current graphene coatings methinks is that current mfg technology just isnt there yet with regards to truly creating a product that can really take advantage of the benefits if graphene, an actual Graohene Coating' as opposed to the current offerings that use pretty much the same elements of ceramics with some RGO sprinkled in. Should be interesting to watch going forward and if you currently have/use a graphene coating that is kickin' azz and takin' names whether or not it has the word graphene on the label really is of no consequence.
Just be sure to shake those graphene products before use as that stuff (reduced graphene oxide) will settle out:
All in all, coatings are great for me, would never have a wax or sealant on a car I drive relatively frequently.
