997 winter tires?
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I'm currently looking for good winter tires in Europe in the stock sizes 235/40R18 and 265/40R18, but this is not easy. Options are:
- Pirelli Sottozero II but these are pricy (> $1000 for a set) and maybe not even the best tire
- Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 is only available in the rear size
- Michelin Pilon Alpin 5 is only available in the front size (275/40R18 is available but not an ideal size)
- Hankook Winter I*cept EVO3 W330 is possible, but probably a lesser tire than Michelin
What do you guys think? Maybe mix Michelin PA4 and 5 on the rear/front axles but that is not ideal either.
One advantage of Michelin is that these have a lower noise rating (71 dB vs 73 dB for Hankook or Pirelli).
Edit: the PA4 and 5 have very different thread patterns. Another option would be PA4 in 225/45R18 on the front axle. Or Pilot Alpin 5 in 255/40R18 rear.
- Pirelli Sottozero II but these are pricy (> $1000 for a set) and maybe not even the best tire
- Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 is only available in the rear size
- Michelin Pilon Alpin 5 is only available in the front size (275/40R18 is available but not an ideal size)
- Hankook Winter I*cept EVO3 W330 is possible, but probably a lesser tire than Michelin
What do you guys think? Maybe mix Michelin PA4 and 5 on the rear/front axles but that is not ideal either.
One advantage of Michelin is that these have a lower noise rating (71 dB vs 73 dB for Hankook or Pirelli).
Edit: the PA4 and 5 have very different thread patterns. Another option would be PA4 in 225/45R18 on the front axle. Or Pilot Alpin 5 in 255/40R18 rear.
Last edited by frederik; Nov 1, 2025 at 11:20 AM.
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Bought a 997.2 C4S in Jan this year as a Daily Driver so have now started to investigate winter options for OEM 19" wheel
I found this interesting comparison :
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tes...Tyres-2025.htm
video version -
Pirelli PZero Winter 2 is a new tyre and was joint winner
I checked and it is available in 235/35 R19 and 295/30 R19
HOWEVER on Pirellis website US vs International it seems these are only available in Europe
INTERNATIONAL / EUROPE website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/.../season/winter
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...-zero-winter-2
US website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/.../season/winter
I found this interesting comparison :
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tes...Tyres-2025.htm
video version -
Pirelli PZero Winter 2 is a new tyre and was joint winner
I checked and it is available in 235/35 R19 and 295/30 R19
HOWEVER on Pirellis website US vs International it seems these are only available in Europe
INTERNATIONAL / EUROPE website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/.../season/winter
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...-zero-winter-2
US website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/.../season/winter
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My winter tire experiences are getting a bit old and moldy, butt... I still stick by my greatest tire buying lessons: You won't be dissatisfied buying Michelin... a little poorer maybe, but satisfied.
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My winter tire experiences are getting a bit old and moldy, butt... I still stick by my greatest tire buying lessons: You won't be dissatisfied buying Michelin... a little poorer maybe, but satisfied.
Peace
Bruce in Philly (now Atlanta)
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I am in the same boat. My C4S is a DD and this is my first winter. Looking for a dedicated winter tire for now, then planning in the spring to get new wheels and tires for summer only use. My dealer said they flat out don't have a suggestion for the 235/35R19 and 295/30R19 tire sizes anymore since the Sottozero II's were discontinued. I haven't found anything that fits, that is a dedicated winter tire. Soooo, how many of us winter warriors does it take to make a European group buy worth the shipping cost for 19" winter tires????? HAHAHA
Otherwise I may just have to go with the Toyo Proxes A/S. I am in the Denver area as well, so large amounts of snow are not frequent, but would be nice to know that an afternoon snowstorm won't catch me out on the commute home from work!
Otherwise I may just have to go with the Toyo Proxes A/S. I am in the Denver area as well, so large amounts of snow are not frequent, but would be nice to know that an afternoon snowstorm won't catch me out on the commute home from work!
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Pirelli PZero Winter 2 is a new tyre and was joint winner
I checked and it is available in 235/35 R19 and 295/30 R19
HOWEVER on Pirellis website US vs International it seems these are only available in Europe
INTERNATIONAL / EUROPE website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/.../season/winter
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...-zero-winter-2
US website - (available winter tyres)
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/.../season/winter
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guys - 295/30 tires are overkill for winter tires and their unavailability points to the obvious: winter tires are narrower to be able to cut through deeper snow.
You don't need to be above a 265 section tire in the rear matched to a 10" wheel. A cayman setup with an 18 or 19x10+40 fits like a dream. You can also have narrower tires than what your summers would be otherwise.
You don't need to be above a 265 section tire in the rear matched to a 10" wheel. A cayman setup with an 18 or 19x10+40 fits like a dream. You can also have narrower tires than what your summers would be otherwise.
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Narrow vs Wide - seems there is no real world difference, the advice is just make sure you have a winter tyre vs summer - (rubber compound suitable for the lower temperatures)
Last edited by R7SAN; Nov 11, 2025 at 07:55 AM.