997.2 V. 991
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driggity (11-06-2019)
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I’ve owned multiple 997 series and love that platform. It’s raw and loud and a lot of road noises. I didn’t care for 991 due to design but warming up to it over the years. I also didn’t care for 992 in pictures but after seeing it in person with sport design package and it look really cool. You have to test drive both and find out for yourself.
997- raw, excitement, noises, you can feel the speed approaching 80-90 mph
991- refine, luxurious interior, modern comfort Bluetooth technology, can be loud with sport exhaust, less road noise, more stable at speed 90-100 mph.
997- raw, excitement, noises, you can feel the speed approaching 80-90 mph
991- refine, luxurious interior, modern comfort Bluetooth technology, can be loud with sport exhaust, less road noise, more stable at speed 90-100 mph.
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Can't add much more than already has been said, but just wanted to add that after moving from my 997.2 C4S to a 991.1 GT3, the build quality difference is staggering. Aside from the interior being a complete overhaul with modern electronics, layout, and soft touch materials, the exterior build quality was the first thing I noticed. Small detail, but take the frunk, I realized after handling the 991's frunk hood, the weight and overall feel of the piece is slightly heavier, and much more sturdy feeling than the 997 frunk (light, seemingly thin and fragile).
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Can't add much more than already has been said, but just wanted to add that after moving from my 997.2 C4S to a 991.1 GT3, the build quality difference is staggering. Aside from the interior being a complete overhaul with modern electronics, layout, and soft touch materials, the exterior build quality was the first thing I noticed. Small detail, but take the frunk, I realized after handling the 991's frunk hood, the weight and overall feel of the piece is slightly heavier, and much more sturdy feeling than the 997 frunk (light, seemingly thin and fragile).
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I've had 2 997s and am looking for a 991.1. The main reason is road noise. They fixed the rear road noise issue on the newer car. Since I'm looking for a daily driver (have a 996 track car) that alone sold me.
That being said, all the comments above about responsiveness are correct. 997 "feels" sportier. 991 will leave 997 in the dust down a twisty road though.
That being said, all the comments above about responsiveness are correct. 997 "feels" sportier. 991 will leave 997 in the dust down a twisty road though.
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I've had 2 997s and am looking for a 991.1. The main reason is road noise. They fixed the rear road noise issue on the newer car. Since I'm looking for a daily driver (have a 996 track car) that alone sold me.
That being said, all the comments above about responsiveness are correct. 997 "feels" sportier. 991 will leave 997 in the dust down a twisty road though.
That being said, all the comments above about responsiveness are correct. 997 "feels" sportier. 991 will leave 997 in the dust down a twisty road though.
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SpeedyD (11-06-2019)
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I thought I wanted to buy a 997.2 until I drove a 2012 911 S 991. But then again I have not driven and 997.2 yet either. I thought I would get the 997.2 because it is said that it is the last of the true driver enthusiast's 911 and therefore will hold its value better. I would appreciate any thoughts on the resiliency of the value and the differences in the drive experience between the 997.2 and the 991 would be appreciated.
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How does a "well specced" 997 save 40kgs (assuming that number is correct)?
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I am really torn on the 991 versus the 997.2. I go back and forth on which I like better, but I have to say the 997.2 GTS is a special car, with that old school, l bad-boy feel/vibe to it that the 991 just doesn’t have. The 991 is sleek, modern and cool also. Coin toss unless you just prefer to drive newer for reliability or just to have the latest sand perhaps greatest, to some.
The performance nexus is pretty meaningless. Truth is, the performance and fun factor of even a base 997 is more than most can handle and more than enough for public streets.
Lol about 80 pounds! Does anyone really think they can feel that or it makes a difference on public steeets! The difference in feel between the cars has pretty much nothing to do with 80 pounds of weight difference.
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I dont think the data is available but it would be interesting to know how the typically spec’d 911 looks across generations. I think like-for-like we know the 991 is lighter. It had better be when Porsche needed to eke out a bit more performance while only modestly bumping hp from the prior model (15hp bump from a 997.2 for S cars)...
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The real answer to the OPs specific dilemma is to drive both and decide for themselves. I think this is obvious. I think equally obvious (to ME ... in my opinion) is that as a representation of Porsche, of the 911, of a sports car etc, the 997 is the clear winner.
For those complaining about a car being too noisy, or too hard to get power out of, or too low, or too firm a suspension etc... there are plenty of more suitable options for them. For anyone who thinks the steering feel of the new cars is fine in comparison to the hydraulic racks, that is fine too... plenty of people can’t tell the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle, or a properly prepared steak to an overcooked one, or low-fi audio to hi-fi.., and that is all fine too... many would argue these are all down to subjective taste (they are!) Porsche knows what they need to do in order to meet regulations and also to sell as many cars as possible to their constantly evolving target market. The used market is defined more by enthusiast buyers and collectors who are in it for the longer term, and based on that view of objective market data, the 997.2 is the more appealing car to enthusiasts and collectors. For whatever that is worth that is probably the most objective view I can find. For those that would argue this, I am talking about equivalent cars (same starting msrp and same current mileage, etc) and the last I saw the 997.2 2012s are more expensive when adjusting for msrp than 2012 991s... which is frankly shocking since we are only 1 full model out from the 991.1...
The rest is subjective...
For those complaining about a car being too noisy, or too hard to get power out of, or too low, or too firm a suspension etc... there are plenty of more suitable options for them. For anyone who thinks the steering feel of the new cars is fine in comparison to the hydraulic racks, that is fine too... plenty of people can’t tell the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $30 bottle, or a properly prepared steak to an overcooked one, or low-fi audio to hi-fi.., and that is all fine too... many would argue these are all down to subjective taste (they are!) Porsche knows what they need to do in order to meet regulations and also to sell as many cars as possible to their constantly evolving target market. The used market is defined more by enthusiast buyers and collectors who are in it for the longer term, and based on that view of objective market data, the 997.2 is the more appealing car to enthusiasts and collectors. For whatever that is worth that is probably the most objective view I can find. For those that would argue this, I am talking about equivalent cars (same starting msrp and same current mileage, etc) and the last I saw the 997.2 2012s are more expensive when adjusting for msrp than 2012 991s... which is frankly shocking since we are only 1 full model out from the 991.1...
The rest is subjective...