Will 992 cause 997 and 996 pricing to drop?
01-09-2019, 09:51 AM
#32
Originally Posted by Balr14
If you want a 993 TT you should probably buy it now.
01-09-2019, 11:23 AM
#34
Three Wheelin'
Exactly, which is why I asked how wide of a net he was casting. Somebody living in say Cleveland OH, searching only that city or that city + a 200 mile radius is in for a long search imo. Lots of stories here of buyers complaining about how hard it is to find the right car and then it turns out the car has to be within a couple of hours drive away.....at most.
01-09-2019, 11:45 AM
#35
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I agree with the first response that someone looking at 992s isn't cross-shopping with 997s, and 997s have already been propped up by people opting out of the 991's evolution. What I've really found interesting are the 991 owners who think they have these purist small-batch sports cars handmade in Germany for real enthusiasts, while the 992 is some monstrous new 2-door Panamera designed by VAG for the Chinese.
01-09-2019, 12:10 PM
#36
Drifting
I also prefer (mostly) the look of the 997 but the statements that some make that the 991 is some luxo-barge compared to the 997 is not borne out in fact and mostly a myth created by 997 (or 964 or 993...) guys who are looking to bitch about the next generation. You dont have to draw the line anywhere. So is the line drawn at the 997? Personally i would have drawn it at the 993. That was a nice little(r) machine. But there is no hard line that everyone will ever agree on
And as you can see, the 991 guys are now doing it to the new 992. The cycle of life continues. Cheers
Exactly. Regardless of actual measurements, I've yet to meet someone who didn't think the 991 looks bigger/fatter/bulkier in person, and at the end of the day, I'd prefer the 911 appear smaller and tighter, even if it's just an optical illusion. Obviously, the 997 is also a fat boat compared to a 964, but a line has to be drawn somewhere that says, "okay, going a little far in the wrong direction now..."
I agree with the first response that someone looking at 992s isn't cross-shopping with 997s, and 997s have already been propped up by people opting out of the 991's evolution. What I've really found interesting are the 991 owners who think they have these purist small-batch sports cars handmade in Germany for real enthusiasts, while the 992 is some monstrous new 2-door Panamera designed by VAG for the Chinese.
I agree with the first response that someone looking at 992s isn't cross-shopping with 997s, and 997s have already been propped up by people opting out of the 991's evolution. What I've really found interesting are the 991 owners who think they have these purist small-batch sports cars handmade in Germany for real enthusiasts, while the 992 is some monstrous new 2-door Panamera designed by VAG for the Chinese.
01-09-2019, 12:22 PM
#37
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I meant "met someone in real life," but the funny thing is, I genuinely almost wrote "except vern" because I've seen your posts about the topic a thousand times.
I agree that the ideal 911 size is something from the air-cooled days, but as a practical matter with modern regulations, I think the 997 still pulls off that "small" look better than the 991 does.
I agree that the ideal 911 size is something from the air-cooled days, but as a practical matter with modern regulations, I think the 997 still pulls off that "small" look better than the 991 does.
01-09-2019, 12:29 PM
#38
Drifting
I meant "met someone in real life," but the funny thing is, I genuinely almost wrote "except vern" because I've seen your posts about the topic a thousand times.
I agree that the ideal 911 size is something from the air-cooled days, but as a practical matter with modern regulations, I think the 997 still pulls off that "small" look better than the 991 does.
I agree that the ideal 911 size is something from the air-cooled days, but as a practical matter with modern regulations, I think the 997 still pulls off that "small" look better than the 991 does.
01-09-2019, 01:07 PM
#39
No, the 991.2 will not tank 997 values. Here is why, they are two different cars. The 997 is a taught, smaller sports car while the 991.1/2 is a larger GT car. The 991 was the final departure from the true, small sports car. Some will argue the jump from air cooled to water cooled was the big leap and thats a valid claim. Unfortunately, Toyota had a hand in the building process of the 996 and the result was bland. Thus the 997 came into the fold with everything the 996 should have been. Smaller, proper shape inside and out. It struck a chord with Porsche owners despite it being water cooled. When a person sits in a 997, they know its a 911, unlike a 996 or 991.
If you go back to the original 911, there are subtle changes between models. The 996 was a huge departure in the wrong direction. The 997 was the correct evolutionary step IMHO.
If you go back to the original 911, there are subtle changes between models. The 996 was a huge departure in the wrong direction. The 997 was the correct evolutionary step IMHO.
Last edited by ttreat; 01-09-2019 at 01:39 PM.
01-09-2019, 02:14 PM
#40
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Comparing the 997.2 and 991.2, I liked the 997 steering much better and the short wheelbase made the car “feel” smaller to drive. The cabin adds to an emotional feeling of compactness that belies the very similar overall dimensions. The 991.2 had better tech, comfort, and performance but felt more distant and isolated. For instance, rear wheel steering paired with a longer wheel base gives similar performance in practice but a rather different feel than simply a short wheelbase.
01-09-2019, 08:00 PM
#42
I don't think the 997 market will be affected by the 992. As others have said the buyers for the two vehicles are different to a degree. I am not implying that 992 buyers are first time 911 buyers, only that some people always lease or buy new while others buy for value in the used market. 997 values seem quite stable under the current market. They are much more likely to be affected by economic conditions.
I really like the 992 and when it reaches a point in depreciation I would definitely consider it. I hope to have my 997.2 long enough for those points to intersect.
I really like the 992 and when it reaches a point in depreciation I would definitely consider it. I hope to have my 997.2 long enough for those points to intersect.
01-10-2019, 12:08 AM
#44
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Complaints about the size of the 991 are largely overstated (as is most internet lore). Yes, the car is bigger. But does it feel bigger? Certainly not in the interior, where the centre console and raised glasshouse makes the car actually feel smaller than the 997. Rear-axle steering also does a wonderful job in making the car feel smaller than it is (tighter turning radius, etc.).
01-10-2019, 12:12 AM
#45
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I think prices will drop but it won't be due to 992's coming out. Mainly will see 997 prices decreasing in prices due to time. Most cars don't increase in value as time goes by and it seems too soon for a collectible. Further higher mileage driven vehicles will sell for less as they get driven more, skewing some prices down.
Always will have vehicles that command a premium. Low mileage, highly equipped vehicles, special vehicles (GTS, etc) and garage queens will always command more.
This said I just bought a 997.2 4S. I don't see prices going anywhere soon. If you want a 997, buy one.
Always will have vehicles that command a premium. Low mileage, highly equipped vehicles, special vehicles (GTS, etc) and garage queens will always command more.
This said I just bought a 997.2 4S. I don't see prices going anywhere soon. If you want a 997, buy one.