Track Car Conversion - Questions
That’s incorrect, I do have a goal, as indicated, it is to race.
Gettin more seat time will allowed me to get more experience, the needs to build a specific car will obviously prepared me more to the final goal. My projection is to dedicate 2019 to get as much time in the car as possible, then eventually move to racing in 2020, if ready.
As for classes, given the specific of the vehicle, will have to be into the 997 or 996. That will have to be picked specifically together as I’ll decide what vehicle I’ll be getting into.
As I mentioned, I’m here to get multiple opinions in order to have a broader view. By doing so I believe I’ll narrow down more precisely my final decision, and possibly limit mistakes.
Again, thank you so much everyone for every suggestion.
Gettin more seat time will allowed me to get more experience, the needs to build a specific car will obviously prepared me more to the final goal. My projection is to dedicate 2019 to get as much time in the car as possible, then eventually move to racing in 2020, if ready.
As for classes, given the specific of the vehicle, will have to be into the 997 or 996. That will have to be picked specifically together as I’ll decide what vehicle I’ll be getting into.
As I mentioned, I’m here to get multiple opinions in order to have a broader view. By doing so I believe I’ll narrow down more precisely my final decision, and possibly limit mistakes.
Again, thank you so much everyone for every suggestion.
If you want Porsche Club Racing and you want 997/996 on a budget then it seems pretty obvious you should be looking at the spec 997 or spec 996 rulebooks.
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...t-and-pdk.html
Once you see what modifications are allowed, you'll be able to prepare a cost analysis. Cross reference that with your budget and you'll know where to go.
Also, have you posted this in the racing and DE forum? That will likely provide you more relevant feedback.
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...t-and-pdk.html
Once you see what modifications are allowed, you'll be able to prepare a cost analysis. Cross reference that with your budget and you'll know where to go.
Also, have you posted this in the racing and DE forum? That will likely provide you more relevant feedback.
Ideally I would like to spec the car not necessarily in line with the restrictions of the class, then once ready to actually race, bring it back to specifications.
I am going to post in the DE/Racing forum, that should be helpful and more specific to the rules and class, which ultimately will dictate the vehicle.
Thank you
I am going to post in the DE/Racing forum, that should be helpful and more specific to the rules and class, which ultimately will dictate the vehicle.
Thank you
http://turbo.pcaclubracing.org/wp-co...cing-Rules.pdf
PCA rules are found above. 997 is either an H or I class depending on the year and engine size. it could also be a Spec 997. I do not see too many Spec997 n the Northeast.
I do not know about converting C4 to C2, but C4 does not typically make a good race car, mainly due to weight. in racing lighter is better.
My perspective is from someone who does a few races a year, so by no means a serious racer. Do a search for "rmag" to see what a fully developed race car in the hands of a good driver does. Ryan took a 07 997 and built a very good car. You have to develop the driver and the car, but you have to figure out where you want to end up.
Building or buying an already built car each have its known upside and downside.
Good luck in your journey.
PCA rules are found above. 997 is either an H or I class depending on the year and engine size. it could also be a Spec 997. I do not see too many Spec997 n the Northeast.
I do not know about converting C4 to C2, but C4 does not typically make a good race car, mainly due to weight. in racing lighter is better.
My perspective is from someone who does a few races a year, so by no means a serious racer. Do a search for "rmag" to see what a fully developed race car in the hands of a good driver does. Ryan took a 07 997 and built a very good car. You have to develop the driver and the car, but you have to figure out where you want to end up.
Building or buying an already built car each have its known upside and downside.
Good luck in your journey.
Chris,
Why would you want to do
Not trying to judge or anything, but this is a much more costly approach to preparing for racing. Learn from someone who has been through it: with my beloved 993 C4S I went down the path of years of DE and then into club racing. After a year or two of club racing I got frustrated because no matter what I did with my driving capability or with the car, the platform was never going go to be competitive in class. So, I ended up selling it and going to a platform that would be competitive in class (964 C2) and would have a lot of drivers where I race. These are a few of the thing other posters are trying to suggest you research before you dive in really deeply because shifting platforms or re-building specs can cost you an extra 10-20k and even more. If you later decide to swap platforms, a car that has been built up as a track prepped car can rarely be sold for what is in it - I think it is more like 40-50% of it's cost.
Like others have recommended, take a look at the Stock and Prepared classes for the 996 and 997 S and the spec classes and as you build your car up over the winter build it in relation to the rules. This will give you more seat time and practice in a car that matches the rules, but also you can compare your lap times to those in the class who are racing and it gives you a target to shoot for to help you determine when you are ready to jump into racing. It is much more fun to be competitive in a race instead of being a moving chicane at the back of the pack as the run groups are based on class, not lap time.
For me, I didn't feel comfortable getting into club racing after just a year of a lot of DE, but that is just me...it isn't a small jump from one to the other.
I love the excitement and everyone here will help you along your journey, so let us know how we can continue to help.
-Skip
Why would you want to do
Ideally I would like to spec the car not necessarily in line with the restrictions of the class, then once ready to actually race, bring it back to specifications.
Like others have recommended, take a look at the Stock and Prepared classes for the 996 and 997 S and the spec classes and as you build your car up over the winter build it in relation to the rules. This will give you more seat time and practice in a car that matches the rules, but also you can compare your lap times to those in the class who are racing and it gives you a target to shoot for to help you determine when you are ready to jump into racing. It is much more fun to be competitive in a race instead of being a moving chicane at the back of the pack as the run groups are based on class, not lap time.
For me, I didn't feel comfortable getting into club racing after just a year of a lot of DE, but that is just me...it isn't a small jump from one to the other.
I love the excitement and everyone here will help you along your journey, so let us know how we can continue to help.
-Skip
Hi Skip
Reason for me of steering about building the vehicle to my specifications instead of following the class restrictions is merely to enjoy the vehicle more before i then get to race. I had the opportunity to talk to few club drivers, the restrictions of the each class make the cars very different from just having a track car with any sort of spec you wish. To put it simply, one is for running around tracks, DE, track days, getting as much seat time as possible and putting dow lap times; The other (build) would be related to racing only. I am def aware of the cost of eventually bringing the car back to follow the class rules, although by then it may be cheaper to just swap the vehicle with something already build for the specific class.
The SP 997 C2S class allowed also PDK, which is most likely what i would go for. A big factor would be also how many cars the class have in, which would make it more competitive or not so much.
It is a process of acquiring as much infos and knowledge as possible, def not a walk in park...but for sure a huge part of the fun/passion as well.
Thanks for the insights.
Reason for me of steering about building the vehicle to my specifications instead of following the class restrictions is merely to enjoy the vehicle more before i then get to race. I had the opportunity to talk to few club drivers, the restrictions of the each class make the cars very different from just having a track car with any sort of spec you wish. To put it simply, one is for running around tracks, DE, track days, getting as much seat time as possible and putting dow lap times; The other (build) would be related to racing only. I am def aware of the cost of eventually bringing the car back to follow the class rules, although by then it may be cheaper to just swap the vehicle with something already build for the specific class.
The SP 997 C2S class allowed also PDK, which is most likely what i would go for. A big factor would be also how many cars the class have in, which would make it more competitive or not so much.
It is a process of acquiring as much infos and knowledge as possible, def not a walk in park...but for sure a huge part of the fun/passion as well.
Thanks for the insights.
Chris,
I get it, have been there and kinda miss the freedom to do more of that since life doesn't allow me to be as into the track right now...maybe when we are empty nesters in 6 years. I am starting to get back to it after a few years out, but trying to stay more knee deep if you can understand and doubt I'll get back to racing.
The learning is such an enjoyable part of the journey and in all honestly more fun than the destination. Enjoy and have fun!
-Skip
I get it, have been there and kinda miss the freedom to do more of that since life doesn't allow me to be as into the track right now...maybe when we are empty nesters in 6 years. I am starting to get back to it after a few years out, but trying to stay more knee deep if you can understand and doubt I'll get back to racing.
The learning is such an enjoyable part of the journey and in all honestly more fun than the destination. Enjoy and have fun!
-Skip



