Meursault88

Pretty cool - you can cut off 100lbs, sell off those parts and maybe break even in the transaction. Plus now you have WB without the GTS cost.

Nice tip.

love2drive

For me, a key difference between the c2s and wide body (c4s or gts) or mid engine (cayman..) is not its more eager propensity to get its tail out, but that unsettling and funny feel that is undeniably there while turning at speeds higher than 20mph. You can feel the rear weight shift to your left while turning right and vice versa. That feel, albeit an indication/warning of the car's inherently unnatural, arguably "unstable" settup, gives the 911 a unique character. It's another dimension you can enjoy or despise, but it's there in all 911s, and most pronounced in the c2,c2s. If you want that feel, the 997 and earlier c2s is arguably the best version to feel it.

josserman

It's not about getting the tail to slide out for m. It's about being able to control the car at the limits, mastering what has often been thought of as one of the more difficult cars to drive fast. I'm also of the school of thought that every driver should be required to learn vehicle dynamics in order to get their drivers license, especially for areas where snow is part of driving. I know you can get a C4 sideways, but it's substantially easier to control then. I plan to drive my C2 in the snow with snow tires. I don't drive recklessly at all on the street, nor do I drive street cars on a race track (unless I'm instructing someone I know and trust). It's just important to me to know I can have full control over all types of vehicles and up till now I've had limited experience driving rear engine rwd cars.

Abe Froman

997.1 or 997.2 4S? There is quite a difference as far as I know.

Fined

It's all relative I suppose. A 987 is neither light nor light handling in comparison to an NA or NB Miata. That car is actually light (2200-2300lbs) and has a light on its feet handling. A 987 is still a 3000lb automobile and a porker for its size. It's easy to associate lightness with something that is actually lighter, but yet still not light. A 987 is lighter than a 997. That doesn't make it a light car unless you are going to take a Cayenne or some other 4000lb+ vehicle in comparison.

Backmarker

I have a 997.1 C4S. I bought the car for the rare options (X51 PCCB exclusive leather all over). I prefer the wide body look, I also have a NB GT3.

The C4S is heavy and I get terrible fuel economy, like 18 MPG (daily driver). I am in CA so snow and even rain are rare, don't need AWD for any practical reason.

Someday maybe I will convert to RWD, then the car will essentially be like a 997.1 GTS.

ocgarza

Good points all. But I was mainly referring to light "handling" characteristics of the 987S, which in turn is probably due to the mid-engine platform. Love driving both the 987 and the 997.2.

Meursault88

Past performance may not be indicative of future results.

Not as rare, a loose adding of the numbers for 997.2 production shows that wide bodies and narrows were produced in equal numbers.

rednerrus

I live live in So Cal and got a 4S.
1. Wide body
2. It's my daily and it still rains here and I used to be pretty paranoid driving my old 996 rwd in the rain.

Big Swole

When you decide to buy a "Mans" car with enough power to warrant AWD (a Turbo), then you'll understand why it's needed. LOL

Go with the 2S for now.




















J/K on the "mans car" thing... lol

Petza914

.... Or you buy a car with enough power to warrant AWD but its only RWD, and you drive the crap out of it anyway.

LOL

halo777

I did the conversion on my 997.1 c4s. I love it. Biggest difference is the steering feel. I have also done a LWFW and read that it doesn't go well with AWD. Also lost about 100 pounds on the conversion, and my front diff was leaking on one side at the time. And allows me more freedom in tire sizing choice, as I dont have to worry about the front rear ratio.

In the end, it has been a great mod for me and I wouldn't go back.

I dont think the kit will work on the 997 TT though. Works on the 996, but 997 TT uses the same electronic diff as the 997.2 from what I read. It is a version of the diff developed for the 959, way back. Kit only works on the 997.1 C4 and C4s.

Big Swole

Touche'

LOL

I'd do it

raidersfan

Re: the wide hips thing: I bet this is confirmation bias more than anything. I own both a .2 C2S and C4S and if the light strip weren't on the 4S, I wouldn't know which was which without looking specifically for the wider car. The difference is subtle, not dramatic, and anyone who isn't a Porsche-phile will not see a difference. Heck, a lot of people cannot tell on a debadged car. I have seen several NB that were debadged and I could not tell if they were 2S or 4S models. Wheeler's 2S was recently for sale, and with that ducktail he had installed, I would have bet $100 it was WB. I think he had some offset wheels installed. My first 997 was a C4 (with an aftermarket wing) and I replaced it with a C2S. I had the C2S for 2 months, and only when they were side by side did I notice the slightly wider rear track on the 4; it wasn't obvious whatsoever, and like I said, even on my own car, I didn't notice it. Once I saw a difference, I came here and saw that people were talking about how much better the WB looks, but not knowing that one was wider than the other, it just wasn't notable. I probably washed the 4 a good 8 times and the 2S a good 5 times without noticing the wider hips. You can find plenty of 2S vs 4S pics online to get a feel for it.

I would let driving dynamics influence your decision; the 2S looks great, the 4S looks great, but they feel drastically different.

Found the pic: if either of those cars were debadged and passed a guy on the street, I bet the odds of recognizing which were which would be the same as a coin flip.

Chef Sheff

Focus on use case. I had a tough time making this decision for my 997.2 and ultimately based it on my use case. Drove a C4S and liked it. Drove a C2S and liked it. The differences have been discussed ad nauseam. But for me, it's a 2nd car for weekend drives and canyon carving in the Santa Monica mountains. I will never drive it in the rain and there is no snow here. I have daily driven a Subaru STi for the past 10 years, so I am totally over the side effects of AWD when pushing sportily in dry conditions. RWD with a 6MT is perfect for MY use case and I could not be happier with my C2S (as well from a value perspective, again for ME, since GTS cars demand such a premium). The dry grip is so good with C2S, I'm not sure what I would "do" with AWD on the roads I drive, especially vs. the mass and steering feel tradeoffs (and that's before I have new Pilot PS4S installed this weekend).