sgtpeper

Ooookay, here's another for you all.. Any thoughts on this car?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...adForm=confirm

patently

I'm shopping pretty hard. This seems like an excellent price. For me it would depend on your acceptance of speed yellow, the maintenance records, and the interior/exterior condition (I can't tell from pictures). Good luck!

SeabrookPorsche

This was a steal.

patently

What do you think about the choice between

- a metallic gray over black 2003 996 TT X50 MT, 28k miles, 3 previous owners, and

- a metallic gray over gray 2007 997.1 TT MT, 66k miles, 5 previous owners,

both at the same price ($56k for the 996, maybe slightly less for the 997). Options on both are essentially identical (the 997.1 has rear parking sensors and the 996 doesn't) and conditions are essentially identical too (let's say 9/10 in and out). Both essentially stock. Both have been maintained very well and full maintenance histories come with the cars. The 996's transmission was changed under warranty due to the second gear popout issue, but that fixed the problem. No other unusual issues with either car's history. Neither has a significant overrev history and there are no recent overrevs.

Both are far away from me (I'm in San Diego, the 996 is in Texas and the 997 is in North Carolina) and I don't have the time to fly to both for in-person assessments; I have a PPI scheduled on the 996 at a local Porsche shop and can do the same on the 997 (it was PPI'd two months ago at the local Porsche dealer in preparation for selling). Just presume that neither car has identifiable maintenance needs.

I have test driven a 996TT (without X50) but I haven't driven a 997; I know I want a turbo 996 or 997.1. Of course I prefer the 997 headlight over the fried egg, but I don't dislike the 996 headlight. I intend to buy and not sell for a long time, drive the car on the weekends, get driver education in the car, and maybe do some autocross to try to move up the driving skill curve. I don't intend to race. I'll probably keep the car I buy without further mods except for a high-end sound system/BT/rear camera in whichever car I buy, installed so a future owner can return that to stock.

Thanks for your opinions!

Dock

996 Turbo

pfbz

First off, condition IMHO is everything. If both look minty, no paint, full records, then I'd pick the 7TT in a second. Thats a great price for a 997 Turbo in the current market.

6TT's are great cars, but I personally don't see paying a huge premium on X50 and lower mileage 996TT's. And I don't really care about owners if the car and records speak for themselves.

The only thing I don't like about the 7 is the gray interior, but at least gray on the 7's is nicer than gray on the 6's, and the overall interior of the 7 is much nicer.

Post up the VIN's and we can probably tell you more about the builds on the cars etc.

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Thanks.

996: WP0AB29963S685965 see https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...50-feeler.html and https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z77xgmlik...5Fs642OAa?dl=0

997.1: WP0AD29927S784105 see http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/2007_..._267291772.veh

pfbz

They both look like really nice cars... Not seeing any carfax info on the 997, but assuming it's clean and conition is superb, that would still be my choice, even though this is the 996TT forum

I know people love the 996 Turbo powerkit and will pay madly for it, but remember the 997 Turbo still makes more power than the 996TT powerkit..

Here are the build sheets:

fung0001

'Life is short and I'm having the time of my life in a vehicle that I adore!'

well said and we are the lucky guys who could afford this!

sgtpeper

Any other thoughts on the yellow one I posted?

I had the dealer send the carfax report. It looks like it was well maintained for most of it's life but then in 11+ there are no records shown.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...NZWCFC&vxp=mtr

FRUNKenstein

Thoughts:

Fossil Fuel's seal gray 2003 X50 car: nice color combo, nicely optioned (make sure he includes the aluminum e-brake handle as they are pricey), BTW, he is the 4th owner - not 3rd (no big deal IMHO though), he is asking top dollar - I think $51,000 or $52,000 is more appropriate for that car, I'm not a fan of cars that are not driven regularly for multiple reasons and would not pay a significant premium for a low mileage car (which is the case here)

2007 997tt: priced very aggressively - is it even still for sale? Nice looking car. Although I don't view the 997 series as a vastly superior car to the 996 (I actually prefer both the 996 Mk I and Turbo headlights to the boring, round, VW Beetle headlights), I wouldn't hesitate to choose this 997tt over the 2003 996tt. To begin with, the 996tt is overpriced by $4k or $5k and the 997tt is underpriced by a similar amount.

2002 Speed Yellow in Naperville: Priced appropriately and would be a very good deal at $45k. Probably no dealership service records since 2011 because the owner stopped servicing it there at that time. The dealership is probably not the best place to have your 9 year old Porsche serviced as by that time they were way more focused on the 997s and starting warranty work on the 991s. Personally, I absolutely love the speed yellow - the 2 best looking 996 models I've seen are techweenie's 996tt and a Mk I aerokit car owned by Neto. For a non-daily driver, put a period, end of sentence right there. That being said . . . I have heard people say that the speed yellow can wear on you - if it were a daily driver, you'd probably tire of it. It is a polarizing color. If you are at all self-concious about driving a bright yellow Porsche, then maybe you should stay away - color is the first and last thing you see every time you drive the car.

My choice would be the 2002 speed yellow car at $45k followed closely by the 2007 997tt. Reasoning is that the speed yellow car is going to hold it's value better, and maybe even appreciate if you drive it for 2 years and put 8k or 10k miles on it. I don't really care about the $$ so much, but if you decide after a couple of years that you want to get a different car, it will be painless. The 997tt is likely still depreciating and with another 10k miles, will be considered by most shoppers as "high miles". However, I don't think it's that big of a difference. Either is a great choice.

And to clarify, I don't think the 2003 seal gray X50 car is a bad deal - he's just not a motivated seller based on that price point and his ad. He's looking at it like "well, if I can't get $56k out of my 996tt, then I won't sell." So the market really isn't driving the price of his car. The other 2 cars have owners that actually want/need to sell.

patently

Thanks for your views, this is good info for me.

The store selling the 997.1 in North Carolina told me the car had a pre-going-on-sale PPI at the local Porsche dealer a couple of months ago and kindly gave me contact information, so I called and talked with the service rep. He read off a list of items needing attention and then surprised me by flat out saying I shouldn't buy that car - maybe because I explained I'm a first time Porsche buyer. I guess that's why the price is relatively low; they seem to have priced in the cost of repairs.

Regarding the asking price on the 996, I don't disagree that it seems toward the highish end of the current reasonable range. And as for your comment that you prefer a car that gets driven, I mostly agree - as a private pilot it's obvious that small airplanes that are flown regularly hold up (if properly maintained) much better than those that sit for long periods. For this particular car, it has Blackstone oil analyses on the recent oil changes indicating normal to low wear (see fossilfuel's Dropbox pics). Mark took pics of every maintenance records and going through those shows that the car's been as well maintained as I would have done myself.

I'm interested in the PPI report on the condition of the elastomers in the 996. I'm in the process of replacing many plastic and rubber parts in my '00 M5 due to simple oxidation and I expect to have to do the same with any aging car.

pfbz

What were the items needing attention?

With most Porsche's and especially a Turbo, there can be a 10X price difference between a repair/service you can take care of yourself vs. taking it to the dealer and saying 'fix it'...