So with the turbos standard in the new 911 line, I kinda have a feeling similar to the air cooled guys. Maybe a truce can be called

 

Yeah, let's call Quadcammer and Embpilot. If you need to reach them, they can be found trolling the NA996 forum. I think it gets lonely and boring in the lawn-mower engined forum, with the only action being a trip to the front porch to yell at those damn kids to stay off the lawn.

 

This will always be the 996t forum, its back to being what it is= leave it alone.

 

All I have to say is the new turbocharged Carrera S is receiving rave reviews and has a 0-60 time of around 3.7 seconds. What could possible be bad about that?

 

I agree its a great car but all be it for reasons they see necessary Porsche is undermining the Turbo name. Its a crap shoot if it will cause values to drop in older models, I personally think not. The 996ts for the largest part are owned by people that are self thinkers that realize what a great car it is. Unfortunately because it has gotten lower in value you have the discount buyers who for the largest part cant or wont maintain them properly. I personally plan on keeping mine and getting an older F car soon= at that point I wont be here as often- I can hear the cheers now lol.

 

For me the "Turbo" name on a 911 has always signified the fastest 911. Not the one that handles the best, nor is the quickest around a race track, but the fastest in a straight line. In that regard the "Turbo" remains unchanged.

 

The reality of what's going to drive the price of our cars up is the fact that we can still diy a lot of the maintenance and repair. These cars seem to hi tech for most here let alone the average pcar owner.

 

Should be a great car, but it won't effect the high end "Turbo". For the the new 911 the turbos are kinda of a bandaid for the smaller displacement motor which is needed for emissions, co2 output, mpg ect. IMO. The halo car "Turbo" I would imagine will still have the big motor making big power. Not that I care but I don't see how it would effect the 996tt either way, if anything makes our large displacement mezger more desirable. Again just my opinion. Overall I have been impressed by the new 991 driven a lot of them on the track, they do great and seem to hold up really well. I bet this new one does the same.

 

The big change this makes is the ability to (relatively) inexpensively up the power on the new Porsches by modifying the turbo or the tuning once they are out of warranty; just as we do with the 996 TT. There's nothing to prevent the entry level Porsches from gaining similar power figures as the model that gets sold as a "turbo".

For the NA cars, there's never been an inexpensive way to substantially increase the power. This has allowed the turbo cars to remain in somewhat rarefied air, no pun intended. I've added headers, new gear sets, etc. to my NA cars and they still only get 20-30 more HP and a little quicker on the shifting.

 

Excellent points.

 

^My thought also. Only time will tell the story.

 

+1

 

I think the base carrera, now with more torque than the last 991 gts, standard pasm, is an awesome step ahead, especially considering where other makes are in terms of horsepower.

 

I totally understand what people are going on about with regards to the new Carrera models being turbocharged. At the same time Porsche is not a silly brand they have been highly criticized on many occasions and have always come on top. All i can say is i wonder what the new Real 911Turbo is going to turnout to be. It will really have to be a huge step forward as mentioned the Carrera performance figures are brilliant. They will make it a hard project to get a Carrera to have "Turbo" performance in terms of tuning and mods.

 

I think that our cars are starting to increase in value--at least here in Canada I have some specific observations from Canadian websites and dealers.
Eg--I note that 997 version stick shift higher performance Porsche’s such as the top line GT3RS, the Turbos S and GT2’s are often selling for more than they were a couple of years ago. I also note that in the case of GT3RS’s—the 997 models are in many cases selling for more than buying a brand new higher performance GT3RS car with warranty—again, this is specific to Canada, and perhaps that has something to do with our dollar vs. the USD—
I looked on auto trader in Canada and others—the 997GT3RS vs the new one –you pay more for the old one and that’s with mileage on it!
My x50 car was selling (so long as it’s the x50 version) for $60k-or just over that in Canada just 2 years ago when I got the grey one--I paid $62k. I see now that quality examples of x50’s in Canada are going for closer to $70-$80k. The normal 996 turbos are not seeing as much rise in price—from what I've seen in Canada - not sure why.
My conclusion as at least part of the reason (the dollar being another one): Porsche’s decision to go only PDK on their top shelf cars may attract more customers, but the diehard only want the stick shifts – and they won’t settle – thus the supply is diminishing, so prices are rising.

So--my thoughts are that the new 911's with smaller turbos wont necessarily diminish the value of our cars--the decision by Porsche to make all of their top cars PDK doesn't seem to be hurting the prices on older cars here in my neck of the woods.
The decision to add small turbos doesn't diminish that a "real" turbo 911 is the benchmark of their fastest (straight line- per other comments) car.
That's my thoughts--but, like the guessing which stocks will rise on the market, its still just a guess!!