The Porsche Tax
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A Bonanza is now a $650,000 airplane. Parts are directly related to the cost of the aircraft. I also agree, parts for a plane are stupidly expensive due to the incredibly stupid "deep pockets" aspect of US liability laws. Brake rotors for a Lear 45 are $50,000. Each!
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Ah so, my bad. Honest mistake, but I gotta say the Porsche snobbery gets tiring sometimes. There is certainly the cache factor in P-cars, it a huge reason why we buy them. However, apples to apples specification wise, in the case of the Supra TT, it's not exactly an unfair comparison. Aesthetics aside, those conversations are pointless, you either like the Supra aesthetics or you don't. But have you ever driven one? They are solidly built; my son's is a 97' with 88k miles, and it has nary a squeak or rattle anywhere after 15 years. It has 320 bullet proof Toyota reliable horsepower bone stock,(more than a stock 993 of the day), it pulls like the proverbial freight train. Not as hard as the 03 996TT of course, but that's 100hp and 250 lbs talking. They handle very well, with very large mono-block brakes, not Brembo's but not bad either. They are very similarly appointed inside, comfy leather sport seating, great ergonomics, and just like the Porsche, literally all areas of the car can be vastly improved. Just throw money at it. The difference is how much money for how much improvement. The Supra leads that contest hands down.
Again, I am NOT a Jap tuner car guy, that's my son who watches Fast and Furious movies and lusts after all the eye candy. The Supra is his dream car not mine. I HAVE mine now! I'm a P-car guy, always have been. I'm 50 yrs old. At age 21, my first Porsche was a Guards Red 75' 914 2.0 that I just loved. We've had a 77' 930, a 95' 993, a 99' 996, and 4 different 968's. Always Porsches, always. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a car like the Supra TT for what it is. Not a Porsche, but not bad either.
But, for the sake of forum harmony, I'll keep my Supra comparisons to a minimum hereafter.
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Speaking of paying, I pay $1655/Year, for a 300/100/300 policy, $500 deductible, Farm Bureau, which was actually $120 les per year than the H1 Hummer it replaced.
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The 996 Turbo was overproduced, at least in relation to previous Turbos, but you need to remember that is was in the middle of the evil Dr. W's "100K cars/year or bust" 10 year plan.
I think the term "Porsche Tax" is painting with a very broad brush.
Using the same logic (amortization of tooling, non recurrent development costs, etc) could be applied to a Rolex watch.
The Rolex is expensive to service/clean, yet the design is so mature that shouldn't be the case, yet it is. Rolex watches are somewhat mass produced and are equivalent to a 996 Turbo in their respective community hierarchy.
Larry's widow's Bugatti Veyron has $30,000 tires from Michelin. Does that mean there is a Bugatti Tax or Michelin Tax?
Many many years ago (during the oil embargo), a man walked into a Cadillac dealership and looked at a 1970 Eldorado (500 cubic inch V8). He asked what the gas mileage was.
The salesman replied "if you have to ask about the gas mileage, you shouldn't be buying a Cadillac".
I think the term "Porsche Tax" is painting with a very broad brush.
Using the same logic (amortization of tooling, non recurrent development costs, etc) could be applied to a Rolex watch.
The Rolex is expensive to service/clean, yet the design is so mature that shouldn't be the case, yet it is. Rolex watches are somewhat mass produced and are equivalent to a 996 Turbo in their respective community hierarchy.
Larry's widow's Bugatti Veyron has $30,000 tires from Michelin. Does that mean there is a Bugatti Tax or Michelin Tax?
Many many years ago (during the oil embargo), a man walked into a Cadillac dealership and looked at a 1970 Eldorado (500 cubic inch V8). He asked what the gas mileage was.
The salesman replied "if you have to ask about the gas mileage, you shouldn't be buying a Cadillac".
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I am an electrical engineer, I design integrate circuit chips, for Freescale Semiconductor. I also fly Search and Rescue part time for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. I understand pay to play, but I begrudge paying one penny more than absolutely needed to play.
Speaking of paying, I pay $1655/Year, for a 300/100/300 policy, $500 deductible, Farm Bureau, which was actually $120 les per year than the H1 Hummer it replaced.
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Speaking of paying, I pay $1655/Year, for a 300/100/300 policy, $500 deductible, Farm Bureau, which was actually $120 les per year than the H1 Hummer it replaced.
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I still have nightmares when I printed out the documentation for the iMX503 processor .... 3000+ pages and I stopped the printer.
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I think the term "Porsche Tax" is painting with a very broad brush.
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Many many years ago (during the oil embargo), a man walked into a Cadillac dealership and looked at a 1970 Eldorado (500 cubic inch V8). He asked what the gas mileage was.
The salesman replied "if you have to ask about the gas mileage, you shouldn't be buying a Cadillac".
I think the term "Porsche Tax" is painting with a very broad brush.
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Many many years ago (during the oil embargo), a man walked into a Cadillac dealership and looked at a 1970 Eldorado (500 cubic inch V8). He asked what the gas mileage was.
The salesman replied "if you have to ask about the gas mileage, you shouldn't be buying a Cadillac".
I'm buying one of Enrique's setups, it'll just take a while to save up the sheckels. I'll hush and eat my mush.
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Wow why so.much for insurance? Im on full blown coverage at 1000 deductible with Flo aka progressive at $950/ year . Enrique stuff is top notch.
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Ah, but do you have 4 vehicles, and two of them are driven by teenagers? They rate all vehicles as if they could be driven by any licensed driver in the household. Not that they can lay a finger on the steering wheel of the 996TT, but the insurance companies don't care. The 19 yr old drives the Supra, and the 16yr old drives the Jeep. Insurance companies LOVE households with teenage male drivers....
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Check if your carrier will only provide coverage for you (and spouse?). I have Mercury and they would only cover me and my wife. The kids are prohibited from the policy for the Porsche.
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Discounting inflation, I paid more for my last engine (TSIO-550) than the 210 cost new in 1977. I was interested in the insurance costs, I had no idea till I looked it up what we pay here in Idaho..
2005 TurboS Cabriolet - $0.00 Detectable for Glass, $500.00 for collision, and all the rest costs me a tad under $840.00 per year. But that is with the multi discount, no accident, no speeding tickets, no kids under 25..... My wife, on the other hand, is a different story
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2005 TurboS Cabriolet - $0.00 Detectable for Glass, $500.00 for collision, and all the rest costs me a tad under $840.00 per year. But that is with the multi discount, no accident, no speeding tickets, no kids under 25..... My wife, on the other hand, is a different story
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Hey uschoice, did you buy your TurboS from Phillips Auto? If so, I saw that car advertised in auto trader, and by the time I got around to making the trip down it was sold...Beautiful car...
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In defense of exhausts, the Europipe is an absolute work of art.
It is very highly regarded and has many satisfied customers.
Porsche tax ( and foreign exchange rates and strength of the US dollar aside ) it is an example of "worth the money"
It is very highly regarded and has many satisfied customers.
Porsche tax ( and foreign exchange rates and strength of the US dollar aside ) it is an example of "worth the money"