SSST

That makes more sense. I was about to call Bravo Sierra on a $115K X50.

I'd say $47K. You ought to get a discount for the rebadge.

That said, everyone has their opinion on the value of the X50. A simple software update for $1K will take a standard turbo well beyond an X50. $4K for new turbos, an exhaust, and software update will get you somewhere between a 997 Turbo S, and a 997 GT2.

So how much is the X50 worth on a 10 year old car?

"02996ttx50

base model and just the x50 puts ya right about there.

"02996ttx50

i'm not so sure that's really so, the "well beyond" the x50 bit. a flashed k16 and an x50 car are pretty darn close, in my estimation. don't discount the top end pull of those 24's once they're on the pipe. but i hated the turbo lag on my x50 also.

i still peg the "value" of the x50 option at around 3-5k premium, depending upon who is paying it. i got my insurance company to add an additional payout of nearly 5k on a total loss payout last summer, before they factored in that option code. so, it has some value, certainly.

SSST

A stock TT will edge a stock X50 in 0-60 because of the lag. The X50 wins in the 1/4. A UMW tune reduces the lag on the K16's further increasing accell. Putting out peak HP in the 500 range, and peak torque in the upper 4's, I can't imagine that a stock X50 could take a UMW tuned TT in the 1/4. Someone here has probably actually run them against each other. I would be interested to hear.

Of course that same $1000 would tune the X50 to a level beyond.

Once you swap the turbos on a standard TT though, all bets are off. That brings us back to the original question of the value of the X50. If $4K (actually, probably $5-6K if I think about it) takes a standard 996TT above 997 TT S levels, then what is the current market value of the X50?

I'm not dissing the X50. It's just a value discussion. These are 8 to 11 year old cars we are talking about.

"02996ttx50

i hear ya. at some point, it suppose it becomes academic, since i ( we? ) aren't tracking or 1/4 miling our cars and a flashed 16 vs a k24 is very close ( imo )? perf wise. as it is i have virtually no lag at all running the older hybrid 16/24's, and as our cars are setup now, could we get places any faster with with a few more mods? ? maybe, but for what?!

tvurt

There is no comparison between a k16 car with tune and exhaust, and a stock x50. It is like going from a c4 to a turbo.

The x50 cars are slower to 100, slower in the 1/4 mile vs a stock turbo. Adding a tune and exhaust to a k16 makes it even a larger gap.

Where an x50 shines is with upgrades. Do an 18g and you have a monster!

Tom

Bates

Can some one point me to a thread or fill me in on terms like "flash" and "18g"?

Assuming that if one was to "do an 18g" that would likely include a beefier clutch and drivetrain adjustments.

tvurt

Flash or Tune = altering the factory ecu for more horsepower, and many drive ability enhancements.

18g = a tried and true, but old modification to your turbos that involves taking out the factory compressor wheel, and putting in a much larger one. You need many other mods to support this. Think $7500+++.

We are very fortunate to live near one of the best tuners in the world, Switzer in Oberlin. You can take a nice drive and have a world class shop (many cars sent from Europe, Asia, and shipped back again) do a tune and exhaust for your car.

A simple Switzer setup will transform it.

Tom

Bates

Thanks Tom.

Post purchase my wife has plans to "flash" our kitchen and family room. that will give me time to get used to 450HP rather than 247HP.

tvurt

I hear you! My wife just informed me our new deck has a 3 - season room being added on, much to my surprise.....

SSST

I've noticed that everytime I spend money on the car, my wife spends 2x on the house. I think she's trying to make a point.

adam_

My view is that the X50 is nice to have but only worth 2-3k.

If you get an X50, add exhaust, flash and wastegates.... you WILL be ahead of a K16 with exhaust and flash.

As has been pointed out, the X50 (k24 turbos) plus software and more efficient intercoolers is somewhat of an interim step in the mod spectrum. What this means is that if you were modding a K16, you'd likely NOT chose K24s... but if you already have k24s, you can make a very respectable improvement as I stated above.

6speedonline probably has a richer discussion on mods.

Just got a bid on our kitchen+ remod- $145k. Ouch.

A

Brenton

Last weekend I played with my 04tt flash exhaust tip agains a standard 11ttS pdk

With a rolling start we were neck and neck, could not tell the differance.

I was quite happy with the result :-)

SSST

My wife is doing a down to the studs remodel of our bayhouse. you're getting off cheap. But yes. That's about what the kitchen will cost.

SimonK

I agree. This was the case with BMW when everyone slapped the M badge on their cars. Then the real M came along and demolished the fake cars. Also you could spot the fake immediately.

Not so in 996T this is why I think some people do it. Also in 996T case there are numerous cars out there who run huge power over S. I think you just need to decide if you want to shout about S or be a sleeper. in 996t range S kind of got slapped on by the factory and wasn’t really all that special, X50 with ceramics being the only add on to spot the difference. In 997T S made a proper difference!