ready to upgrade the ecu, which one?
06-10-2009, 03:06 PM
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I guess I've been exposed for being verbose, pedantic, and excessively long winded in the strictest literary sense....I never could write a summary. I was heavily influenced by Mitchner. Always seem to take the scenic route.
Are you and KPG buds? He's a true gentleman.
Are you and KPG buds? He's a true gentleman.
06-10-2009, 05:59 PM
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I guess I've been exposed for being verbose, pedantic, and excessively long winded in the strictest literary sense....I never could write a summary. I was heavily influenced by Mitchner. Always seem to take the scenic route.
Are you and KPG buds? He's a true gentleman.
Are you and KPG buds? He's a true gentleman.
06-11-2009, 12:57 PM
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The only modaholic I know who has his OWN personalized and personally designed transport vehicle. That truck is something else....IIRC, there are only two ever made like it. Life continues to be good for some who reap what they sow.
06-11-2009, 01:27 PM
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I must be one of the lucky ones. I have Kevin's tune, a Europipe Stage 2 exhaust and dual snorkel air intake and track my car. I have never had any clutch issues, knock on wood. Kevin, if you are monitoring this thread, is there something different tune wise for higher rpm track work that might be safer as far as A/F ratios? I have been mixing 93 octane with 100 at a 50/50 % rate.
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06-11-2009, 02:12 PM
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I must be one of the lucky ones. I have Kevin's tune, a Europipe Stage 2 exhaust and dual snorkel air intake and track my car. I have never had an clutch issues, knock on wood. Kevin, if you are monitoring this thread, is there something different tune wise for higher rpm track work that might be safer as far as A/F ratios? I have been mixing 93 octane with 100 at a 50/50 % rate.
06-11-2009, 05:14 PM
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I don't have a race file, just a 93 octane file, and I'm on stock FPR, injectors, and rails. I put in 100 octane to prevent pre-detonation and the car seems to have a little more punch.
06-11-2009, 06:29 PM
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What's the duty cycle of the stock FPR in a 91 or 93 octane performance flash? Is there a need to go to a 5 Bar FPR for the .....I guess you'd call it....the "basic performane flash"??? Let's say more or less arbitrarily that you're running about 525 crank hp using a good exhaust, DV's, K24's with wastegate kits....at that level can the stock FPR provide enough fuel for WOT performance levels, or do you need to go to a 5 bar just to be "safe"??? Will the DME tune pull timing to keep it within bounds?
06-12-2009, 11:34 PM
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"......Go with the guy you feel most comfortable with."
The statement is true...it's a common sense statement. Of course you should get the product from the tuner you feel most comfortable with. The problem with the statement is ...Where does a guy who's just coming on the scene get his "comfort level"? He/she gets it from reading the various threads, or perhaps from the one-on-one recommendation from a friend, Porsche mechanic, or other source.
There are definitely some tuners and some tuning products that are better than others. Many on this and other forums are reticent about naming names for fear of offending the tuner they didn't mention...or perhaps worse, naming a tuner whose product has a history of failure. But "failure" is often related to hearsay...with some actual anecdotal first hand events thrown in. So how does someone get "comfortable"?
One way is to look at who is buying what product, and over what period of time. Almost everyone reports "fantastic acceleration....great performance....WOW....Wish I had done this sooner". These are usually nothing more than adjectives used to describe a performance level that didn't exist prior to the tune. But that doesn't make it a good tune, or the person installing it a good tuner.
Then there's the cost involved....I've seen some buy a particular tune (here I go not naming names) because it cost less than $1000 (how's that for non-specific). Others may buy it because it's MORE expensive therefore must be better...others buy because it's in close proximity to where they live....others look to the forums and do a quick mental count of the kudos....but it seems that most are influenced by who seems to be selling the most at the moment their decision needs to be made. Sort of like the last man standing syndrome. Popularity comes and goes....today's hot seller is relegated to a lesser positon tomorrow as another tuner takes the marquis.
So I throw it out to the crowd....aside from the fact that it's the one you happen to be running...in truth, what influenced you to buy what you did? If you were a newbie hitting the scene and dont have a lot of experience with Porsche; you just got the car, you have a bit of money and immediately want to make the car faster....like Ghostbusters.....Who do you call? What criteria are you going to use to make that important decision? I pared my list down to two tuners after a lot of emailing, talking to them on the phone, and PM'ing folks whose signature showed me the tune I was interested in.
The statement is true...it's a common sense statement. Of course you should get the product from the tuner you feel most comfortable with. The problem with the statement is ...Where does a guy who's just coming on the scene get his "comfort level"? He/she gets it from reading the various threads, or perhaps from the one-on-one recommendation from a friend, Porsche mechanic, or other source.
There are definitely some tuners and some tuning products that are better than others. Many on this and other forums are reticent about naming names for fear of offending the tuner they didn't mention...or perhaps worse, naming a tuner whose product has a history of failure. But "failure" is often related to hearsay...with some actual anecdotal first hand events thrown in. So how does someone get "comfortable"?
One way is to look at who is buying what product, and over what period of time. Almost everyone reports "fantastic acceleration....great performance....WOW....Wish I had done this sooner". These are usually nothing more than adjectives used to describe a performance level that didn't exist prior to the tune. But that doesn't make it a good tune, or the person installing it a good tuner.
Then there's the cost involved....I've seen some buy a particular tune (here I go not naming names) because it cost less than $1000 (how's that for non-specific). Others may buy it because it's MORE expensive therefore must be better...others buy because it's in close proximity to where they live....others look to the forums and do a quick mental count of the kudos....but it seems that most are influenced by who seems to be selling the most at the moment their decision needs to be made. Sort of like the last man standing syndrome. Popularity comes and goes....today's hot seller is relegated to a lesser positon tomorrow as another tuner takes the marquis.
So I throw it out to the crowd....aside from the fact that it's the one you happen to be running...in truth, what influenced you to buy what you did? If you were a newbie hitting the scene and dont have a lot of experience with Porsche; you just got the car, you have a bit of money and immediately want to make the car faster....like Ghostbusters.....Who do you call? What criteria are you going to use to make that important decision? I pared my list down to two tuners after a lot of emailing, talking to them on the phone, and PM'ing folks whose signature showed me the tune I was interested in.
06-13-2009, 02:24 AM
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So I throw it out to the crowd....aside from the fact that it's the one you happen to be running...in truth, what influenced you to buy what you did? If you were a newbie hitting the scene and dont have a lot of experience with Porsche; you just got the car, you have a bit of money and immediately want to make the car faster....like Ghostbusters.....Who do you call? What criteria are you going to use to make that important decision?
There's my noob experience
06-13-2009, 09:42 AM
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Awesome! Have you got it flashed yet? Can't wait to hear your ride review! I just did an EPL Stage 1 flash and the car is night and day better!
Now if we can get Kevin and Tony @ EPL to get their websites updated, we might have an easier time finding information and not keep them on the phone for hours a day!
I may know someone who does websites! :lol:
Now if we can get Kevin and Tony @ EPL to get their websites updated, we might have an easier time finding information and not keep them on the phone for hours a day!
I may know someone who does websites! :lol:
06-14-2009, 12:02 AM
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After a bit of research, I came to the conclusion that the performance increase of a flash for k16s wouldn't vary much between tuners. From there it was looking through customer feedback and reading posts made by the vendors. In the end I went with Kevin UMW as there was zero negative feedback that I could find. He also doesn't solicit much but a lot of people still used his services and give postive feedback. When I spoke to him I also never felt pressured to buy which is a huge plus for me.
There's my noob experience
There's my noob experience
06-14-2009, 11:14 AM
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Yeah, but I'm hard at work designing "Joe's Expectations 2.0", the sequel... 
"OK, so the Porsche is fine, but my daughter's Camry is still pretty bogus. Whatcha goin to do about it Kevin?"
"OK, so the Porsche is fine, but my daughter's Camry is still pretty bogus. Whatcha goin to do about it Kevin?"
06-15-2009, 01:24 AM
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Amen brother, couldn't have said it better.
In addition with what feels right, go with someone who answers your questions, not with what you want to hear but consistency and without scope creep.
I have the UMW 2c setup, its amazing especially at 6000' altitude, Kevin knows definitely his code :-)
In addition with what feels right, go with someone who answers your questions, not with what you want to hear but consistency and without scope creep.
I have the UMW 2c setup, its amazing especially at 6000' altitude, Kevin knows definitely his code :-)